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Just 10 years ago the US was still seen as being progressive and racism was slowly becoming a thing of the past... and not even in 10 years all the major civil rights achievements of rhe past 70 years are being thrown out so fast it is making my head spin.

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[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Some people on the left display a certain level of aggression that is not conducive to positive change.

I clearly didn't miss your point, because you keep feeling the need to suggest that any of this is somehow the fault of the left. That it's "wokism" and "aggression" that pushed people to support Trump.

It's not. You're just victim blaming.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The overwhelming fanaticism was partly fueled by the aggressive response from the left. You yourself said it to be true because the media like Fox used it to get people fired up. If you’re denying that people on the left may have been overly aggressive in their condemnation of people on the right, then we will have to agree to disagree.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You yourself said it to be true because the media like Fox used it to get people fired up.

I absolutely did not say that. I said that Fox News lied to get people riled up. That Fox News intentionally propagandized the entire situation until every person on the left - "fanatical" or otherwise - was painted with the same brush of treasonous woke extremism.

It's all fucking propaganda and scapegoats, and here you are still doing their job for them.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

EDIT: Please read about calling out vs calling in if you haven’t done so already: https://edib.harvard.edu/files/dib/files/calling_in_and_calling_out_guide_v4.pdf

You seem very frustrated. Let’s break it down.

  1. Fox News used cancel culture and “wokeism” to get people fired up whether it was through lies or not.

  2. Some people on the left were in fact aggressively calling people out on the right for their wrongdoings and condemning them.

  3. These actions validated Fox News’ assertions of the left’s behavior and elicited fear and shame in people on the right who may feel targeted because of their racism and bigotry.

  4. Donald Trump stood up for the people on the right when other presidential candidates on the left did not.

  5. Donald Trump becomes a hero and is idolized partially due to being a savior to them during a time of “cancel culture”.

Where we might disagree is #2. If you believe that people were not being canceled and attacked, then no point going any further. That would be strange though since it sounds like you might be in favor of more aggressive approaches.

Don’t feed the machine. Be smart, compassionate and the hardest part is be patient.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hah. No. Where we disagree is #3.

Specifically:

These actions validated Fox News’ assertions of the left’s behavior and elicited fear and shame in people

These actions didn't validate shit or elicit fear and shame in people. Fox News and social media campaigns did.

Toppling confederate statues didn't make people afraid - Fox News did that by spending 24/7 news cycles convincing people that hating the confederacy was the same thing as hating white people. Calling out right-wing assholes didn't make people afraid - Fox News did that by convincing people they weren't assholes in the first place.

Or, even worse, by convincing them that these actions were "aggressive" at all!

Those poor right wingers were aggressively called out! Oh no! People were so mean to them online. I know, it's terrible for someone to be aggressive on twitter. That's just wrong. Those people should have known better than to push people into the arms of Trump with their aggressive tweeting.

Or maybe it's just lies? The "aggression" wasn't really anything? Just people talking shit online, and other people getting upset and talking shit back? Then talking heads on TV quoting all of those people talking shit? Back and forth and back and forth?

No, you're totally right. The aggression was too much. They were all just too aggressive against innocent people like Ricky Gervais. So aggressive in cancelling him that he made millions touring around the country whining about how he was cancelled, and telling the "jokes" that got him "cancelled". Poor man just couldn't catch a break.

Lol you don't get some moral high ground by being calm. You just get - at best - ignored. At worst? Crushed by the machine that you are trying to stop with "love and logic." Good luck with that.

I don't have any logical reason to be calm in the face of tyranny, nor do I have any moral reason to be polite in the face of your victim blaming.

We don't need patience, what we need is solidarity, and I believe that blaming anyone other than the tyrants for their tyranny is in direct opposition to solidarity.

I have given you more than enough good faith in the attempt to convince you of that.

So, at the risk of somehow accidentally turning you into a Trumper - fuck off.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Your feelings are valid. I hope you find what you’re looking for.