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FUTO License, an alternative to Closed Source (www.youtube.com)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by paequ2@lemmy.today to c/programming@programming.dev

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Source First License 1.1: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE.md

This is a non-open source license. They were claiming to be open source at one point, but they've listened to the community and stopped claiming they were open source. They are not trying to be Open Source™.

They call themselves "source first". https://sourcefirst.com/

They're trying to create a world where developers can make money from writing source first software, where the big tech oligarchy can't just suck them dry.

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And I love how you glossed over all of that to get a little bit hurt at me. ...

Sorry, the reason I glossed over that is because I didn't want to get involved in that conversation. I was just trying to get the conversation back on topic. I don't endorse the personal attacks.

So what if google also benefits?

Why are we ok with workers not getting paid for their labor? Would you still work at your job if they didn't pay you? These companies aren't small shops, they're huge giants that in some cases are destroying countries. They'll be ok if they have to share a tiny fraction of their obscene wealth with regular people.

TCP, SSL, and thousands of standard technology. Should those be charged as well?

That's a great question. I'm not really sure actually. Btw, I don't think Open Source™ should go away. I do think there could be a middle ground though. There should be more nuance than just 0% give away or 100% give away.

Even small utilities can contribute to people learning and adapting. ... It’s such a boogy man at the cost of other people learning and benefiting from what you’ve done the same way you benfit from others.

I think you may be confusing Source Available with Closed Source. Source Available licenses don't stop regular people from creating a community, contributing, learning, adapting, improving software. They do stop companies from making money off of your work though.

[–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not confusing the two. If I copy the "source available" and accidently remember it in a "commercial" product, I'm technically hooped. It's considered derivative work and therefore I'm in violation of the license. Regardless if I'm a simple app dev or Google.

Also, like I said a few times now. I done own the code I contribute. Technically meaning if you contribute code, and use that snippet in a commercial context, again, your in violation of the license.

This is why copy left is the defacto standard. The author of the code retains copywrite ownership of it.

Your still resolving solved problems.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ooooh, wait. I think I understood one of your points better now...

I done (don't?) own the code I contribute. Technically meaning if you contribute code, and use that snippet in a commercial context, again, your in violation of the license.

So, I think you're saying, what if you contribute some code to a source available project, maybe some boilerplate that's the same everywhere, and then you use that same contribution in a commercial product? Then you'd be in violation of the source available license? Is that what you're saying?

This seems like a good reason NOT to contribute to a source available project, which is totally fine. Whereas this is possible with GPL if you 100% own the code and didn't sign a CLA.

However, not all projects are "I want everyone to pitch in and I want everyone to own the project." There are lots of projects where 1 dude or 1 company want to retain ownership of their app and don't need or want outside contributors. Normally, they'd probably just be closed source—maybe they might consider being source available.

(Just as long as they don't pretend to be Open Source™, in which case fuck them.)

[–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's the point of source available if I'm never allowed to derive value from it?

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FUTO specifically allows you to derive value from a project like this:

You may use or modify the software only for non-commercial purposes such as personal use for research, experiment, and testing for the benefit of public knowledge, personal study, private entertainment, hobby projects, amateur pursuits, or religious observance, all without any anticipated commercial application.

You may distribute the software or provide it to others only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes.

Yes, it's a different set of value than Open Source™ gives you. Again, they're not claiming to provide the same value as Open Source™. (They're also not trying to replace Open Source™.) Yes, it's not the value that you want. Yes, that's by design.

Do you also think, what's the point of Google Search, Windows, WhatsApp, YouTube, Instagram, etc if you can't derive any "value" from it, where "value" means Open Source™ value? Those apps are still insanely valuable to users, even if they don't get Open Source™ value from them.

[–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

So the first line of what you quite says you can't.

I'm a professional developer. If I learn and use it in my job, I'm in violation of the licese.

What I mean by value is the ability to learn and use it as you wish. Without worry of if your going against a license.