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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by nonresonant@lemmy.world to c/running@lemmy.world

Lifelong athlete. 37yr old male. College baseball player. Have been lifting weights for 15 years. Very consistent with my diet, in fact I have my diet dialed in and track calories eat nothing but whole foods.

I've been running for over a year, off and on due to calf and achilles injuries but mostly on. I am on week 10 of a 20-week half marathon plan.

If you look at me, I look very fit. People assume I am very fit because I have decent muscle mass and I'm pretty lean (around 10-11%bf right now). But I really struggle running. I just ran a 7-miler for my long run and it killed me. A freaking 12:53 pace, started at 5am and finished around 6:30am. I am deliberately running in zone 2 to build my endurance base using my Garmin watch and chest strap. I couldn't have run any faster if I wanted to. Running so slow but my average heart rate was 149bpm. All of my other health factors are very good. 48bpm resting heart rate. 7-8 hours of sleep a night. Weight lifting 3 days a week. Running 3 days a week. All blood work in January was great.

Before I focused on my endurance I got my mile time down to 7:33 at around 80-90% effort. I just feel like I should have a better base by now and even though building the mileage takes time I feel like I'm way too slow for how long I've been running.

Am I doing something wrong? Any advice or feedback for me?

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[-] nonresonant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My zone 2 is 136-158bpm. It starts off that way, I can keep a conversation, but then after about 3 or 4 miles it gets close to zone 3 and I can talk for sure but it's my legs that just can't move any faster. My feet, ankles, and knees start to hurt. I'm not huffing and puffing at the end of a run, I'm winded, but I can talk right after and keep a conversation. I'm just so slow and my legs drag.

[-] mythic_tartan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It sounds like you might be pushing yourself too hard for zone 2. Is it a 4 zone or 5 zone setup? 136-158 seems wide and high to me. I’d recommend lowering your target HR and try to keep constant effort, which means slowing down as you go further. You may need to take a shorter shuffling like stride to keep a low HR and maybe even walk a bit if it climbs too high. You’ve only been at it for a year so go easy on yourself and listen to your body.

[-] nonresonant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My Garmin shows my lactate threshold at 167bpm.

  • Z1 112-138
  • Z2 138-153
  • Z3 153-165
  • Z4 165-172
  • Z5 172-187

I'm not saying your wrong, I just cant fathom going any slower and making progress. I guess my mind can't reconcile walking actually improving my endurance after so many years of fitness. I guess I'm just being naive or ignorant.

[-] mythic_tartan@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This looks off to me. Do you know what method was used to calculate these zones? I’d say your main issue is your watch is giving you false expectations. I entered your values into a variety of calculators online (age, MHR, RHR) and they all somewhat line up for z2 around 130ish-140ish, maybe 145 max. Between this and the the description of how you feel, I’d say you are far past your actual zone 2. These models are just a starting point. I’m able to breathe comfortable through my nose the whole time in zone 2. If I push too hard it starts to feel like my feet and ankles have weights on them by the end of my run, which is lactic acid build up by pushing into anaerobic territory. Maybe try this lower range and see how it feels?

[-] nonresonant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't be surprised. It's the values Garmin gave me when it recalibrated me VO2 max. I'm considering getting a lactate test done to get my actual levels. You might be right though. I probably need to keep the heart rate under 140. Like you, when I get tired it's really my feet and ankles and knees. Not my lungs.

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