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Why many Americans are unaware of the massive event in Gaza BEFORE October 7th
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this post was submitted on 11 May 2025
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Let's not. That's the exact point at which you departed from accuracy into fantasy-land, and what I was taking note of.
Yes, 100%.
This is an impressive type of sophisticated negging whereby you criticize yourself as a way to implicitly criticize the reader, and tell them they're an idiot.
Most of Lemmy and most of the content on Lemmy isn't from the US as far as I'm aware. This whole media blackout you're talking about is a very real thing for most US people, but it simply won't apply on Lemmy or the sources that are usually prevalent on Lemmy. For example I host some news sources on rss.ponder.cat; four out of the top five of the popular ones are non-US sources.
If you are telling the truth about your self-assessment, I would really urge you to re-examine that leap you took from "most US readers are misinformed" to "most of the people in these comments are misinformed" and definitely the one you took to "US is skillfully manipulating the Ukraine situation, and definitely not fucking it up because they don't care about much of the issues involved all that much, except insofar as their friends can sell tons of weapons to all parties involved."
That was an example I presented of my disbelief regarding that war. You are welcome to hone in on that topic, but even I said "WAT," i.e. my disbelief regarding conclusions at which some people outside the US arrived.
If you choose to read it that way, you are welcome to that view. I do think US news consumers are propagandized. The more I learn, the more I realize I have been stumbling around blindfolded with regards to US actions, domestically and abroad. My ignorance is mine alone. I was aiming for light and humorous at the depth and breadth of my ignorance. If you would like more clarification or elaboration, rather than making assumptions, I'm happy to discuss.
That's quite the leap yourself. Would you care to elaborate on how I called commenters here misinformed?
I think we might be missing each other's points, and I think we probably agree more than this topic/thread would indicate. I feel like you are digging for an argument that doesn't exist. I would rather find where we agree; putting me down and making extrapolations I didn't intend nor feel doesn't help anything, except maybe our egos. But I suppose agreement doesn't make for compelling Lemmy comments.
That's not what you said. You said that it was, more or less, a universal consensus outside the US that the US had manipulated events in Ukraine to weaken the EU, because they couldn't stand having the EU around because it was a real democracy. So much so that you're a "blithering idiot" "out of the loop" "depth and breadth of ignorance" and so on because you don't see it that way because you consume US media, whereas the whole rest of the world knows that that's going on. Right?
That assertion (that it's universally believed outside the US, not even touching on whether it is true) is absolutely wrong. And then, you said "WAT" about your own reaction to it, but also seemed to take it very seriously, comparing it favorably to your own ideas which you were very negative about.
You said "us," as in "it becomes very difficult for us to be anything other than idiots".
Okay, sure. Maybe that's fair. So tell me: What are these reliable sources that your more wise and knowledgeable international friends read, what's some of what they tell you about geopolitics and the war in Ukraine? Specifically as pertains to "US manipulating geopolitics with UA and RU so as to bring the EU to heel." Since you've identified the idea that that is not happening as the "blithering idiot" viewpoint by contrast, maybe you can help me out of my idiocy by helping and elaborating.
Edit: Rephrasing