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Which part is nonsense? The part where he said the houthis actions were a good thing, the part in the full debate you linked where he quadrupled down on it, or the fact that the houthis are registered as a terrorist organization and have kidnapped and held innocent civilians hostage for a year?
I saw the full unedited Ethan and Hasan debate, and Hasan's context and excuses just made me disgusted.
You’re doing the thing.
Hasan explained why he supports the Houthis actions, why are you leaving out that context? Is it because most people might actually sympathize with it as well? Y’all just can’t help yourselves with your outrage, can you? lmfao
No one sympathizes with the houthis.
Also I'm not leaving out any context. There is no universe where anything the houthis did was excusable. Hasan did explain it, and it made him look worse. He tries to justify the kidnapping of innocent civilians (some Asian workers who had nothing to do with it, who were working on a brittish vessel only partially owned by some Jewish person.) and holding them hostage for a year in that debate. "What else were they supposed to do?" How about not terrorism? How about going to Palestine? How about activism, propaganda, anything other than terrorism?
While you scrutinize the finer points of morality relating to the detainment of sailors as part of an economic blockade, Israel is intentionally starving millions of children. Your priorities are so out of whack it's absurd that you don't recognize it. You don't have to support the Houthis to acknowledge that their economic blockade of Israel is justified. If engaging in that level of nuance makes me a terrorist in your eyes, you've completely lost the plot.
Besides, the word terrorist has always been used by the US as a propaganda tool to paint specific militant groups that are enemies of US empire as barbaric and inhuman. If the basic definition of terrorism were applied fairly across the board then the IDF and US military would be considered the most prolific terrorists and the US and Israel the largest state sponsors of terror. The standard of violence is set by the oppressors.
I wish I was as articulate as you. You explain things very well. I just go 😡
WTF has this to do with priorities? Just because i despise the israeli government and the action they take i have to give hasan a pass when he blurts out insane takes on a daily basis?
Yeah, and i agree the US and Israel are in some ways full blown terror regimes which did horrible things. Doesnt take away from the fact that Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis are terror orgs. Yeah, sure the US caused probably more harm over the last century then the three groups together. But that doesnt legitimize anything ffs.
Hasan fans should really start reading books about the matters they are so invested in instead of just parroting some dumbass twitch streamer.
Nobody's asking you to "give Hasan a pass" but we're asking you to see the Palestinian issue from the eyes of a neighbour who doesn't see any recourse from the international community against the heinous acts perpetrated by the Israeli regime and the IDF against civilians in Gaza and other regions nearby. If nobody punishes a bully am I a bully myself if I intervene to defend the bullied person? I personally don't think so, especially if the teachers and the principal constantly side with the bully against the bullied.
This will never sit well with me, I'll personally take matters into my own hands anytime I see a situation where someone powerful acts against someone poor, especially when the institutions tasked with defending those who aren't powerful sit in a corner fiddling their fingers and not acting in line with their declared objectives.
This being said I despise any kind of religious extremism (any religion at all in fact, but I don't expect everybody to become atheist all of a sudden. I completely expect everybody not to be an extremists tho) so I also despise the founding reasons of Hamas, the houtis, the islamic brotherhood or any other religious organisation. But still I understand and justify their reasons for being in a fight against Israel.
I don't understand and I don't justify the stances of international organisations which should be defending the Palestinian people and who are the cause why I have to support religious extremists in this specific context (looking at UN aggressively)
You are vaguely referencing a bunch of stuff and simultaneously being angry I am not being specific enough.
Be specific, what are you claiming Hasan has done illegally or wrongly? You claim he "supports" a "terrorist" organization but the onus is on you to prove in exhaustive and specific terms why I should believe you when you say the words "support" and '"terrorist" that you aren't just moving empty hot air and hate around with your mouth.
Nobody is surprised by this, your behavior makes it crystal clear this is the kind of position you would have.
You're trying to delegitimize what I'm saying by saying I'm emotional and unspecific, and attacking my character. You're purposefully playing dumb to avoid the actual point I'm making. Then you try to move the goalpost by asking what he's done that is illegal or wrong, which is not what I'm talking about.
Here are the direct quotes so there is no mistaking it. Both points were reiterated in the video you linked.
"I think what the houthis are doing is a good thing" -Hasan
"We support you" -Hasan when interviewing a houthi terrorist.
Hasan is a terrorist supporter as evident by the above direct quotes.
As for what I found disgusting was when he excused his claims about the rape allegations being false and saying there was no evidence. Also in the video you linked.
What is your point with this? Are you shaming me for watching the full debate that was supposed to clear everything up on both sides? Also didn't you just link an asmongold-style reaction video to that whole debate?
That's pretty vague. If I said I support what America does, that doesn't necessarily mean I support the worst actions the state has ever taken.
Again, just because a group ends up on a terrorist list doesn't really mean much besides that they're currently unaligned with US interest. The "terrorist" dogma has really lost its bite since the war on terror began.
If the context was "America kidnapped civilians" and someone said "I think what the Americans are doing is a good thing", then yes, that would paint a bad picture. And it was vague at first but after Hasan explained himself in the debate, it became clear that he was excusing the kidnappings.
Do you not think what they did was terrorism? Do you want to explain to the hostages that they were just overreacting and that their kidnappers actually aren't that bad, and it's just some dogma?
I think you are framing the argument in an incomplete perspective. I don't think the context is just that houthis are kidnapping people, moreso that they are standing up to what he believes is western powers projecting power and supplying weapons and resources to a nation commiting genocide. The kidnappings did not occur in a vacuum, and is secondary to their actual objective.
I think terrorism is a word people utilize to stop people from intellectually engaging in a complex problem. I personally don't think it's terrorism, as you described.... it's kidnapping. Which isn't great, but states do terrible things all the time. ICE is currently engaging in kidnapping people off the streets without due process, would you also consider that terrorism?
My whole point is that labeling something as terrorism is mostly used to disuade people from applying nuance to a topic, and it seems that's really your only argument.
It would actually read something more like "US Navy detains cargo crew in violation of blockaid"
I don't think most Americans know just how much they're propagandized, even through mundane things like headline word choices.
Operating a shipping blockaid is a boilerplate armed conflict strategy. No, this doesn't qualify as terrorism IMO.
Do you think Americans are doing a good thing?
Of course, that's what the American TV tells him.
lol someone from programmingdev would have different political views they never see political posts