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[–] KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Obama won in 2008 and 2012. An establishment candidate of color, or woman candidate, will fare worse than a white equivalent (like Biden). But a strong leader of color, or woman leader, could absolutely win.

Also Bernie was white and a man, but the DNC had very different reasons for not liking him.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you have to be a much stronger candidate than Harris was to be either of those things, let alone both. Obama was a very strong personality and he only had one strike against him. And he wasn't running against a social media shitstorm because that whole strategy was still very nascent.

We already saw what happened to Bernie in the 2016 DNC nomination race; he wasn't going to get that close again, they had to pull out all the bullshit DNC fuckery to get Hillary in there.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Harris started really strong, too, but then just had to turn the whole campaign into a Liz Cheney slumber party and couldn’t admit that the obvious genocide in Gaza was a bad thing. She literally just had to let Tim Walz do his thing and it would have gone great.

Establishment Democrats love losing.