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According to new reporting from the New York Times, a Houthi surface-to-air (SAM) missile barely missed an American F-35 fifth-generation fighter, the crown jewel of the U.S. fighter inventory. The F-35, participating in Operation Rough Rider against the Houthis, was forced to take evasive action to avoid the missile.

The incident raises questions about the survivability of one of America’s most advanced fighters, and raises concerns over how effective the relatively unsophisticated Houthi air defense system has been at hampering U.S. action.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

So... the article describes that:

... the simplistic nature of the [Houthi Anti Air] systems also helps them to avoid earlier detection by America’s advanced equipment. “Many of the [SAMs] are also improvised, leveraging non-traditional passive infrared sensors and jury-rigged air-to-air missiles that provide little to no early warning of a threat, let alone an incoming attack,”

and:

but the Houthis claim that the Barq-1 and Barq-2 [Iranian AA missle systems] have maximum ranges of 31 miles and 44 miles and can engage targets at altitudes of 49,000 feet and 65,000 feet, respectively.

with some of these missiles being:

capable of firing Taer variants also reportedly have electro-optical and/or infrared camera to aid in target acquisition, identification, and tracking.”

... So I find it rather odd to describe passive IR guided AA missiles as 'non-traditional'.

I think a better phrase would be 'novel' or 'unaccounted for'.

Passive IR missiles of different exact specifications are... pretty common through the entire history of ... just missiles, in general.

Jet engine exhaust is extremely hot, and it would seem the F35 is not actually as good at masking it as previously thought, probably when its flying away from the missile launcher and is thus showing its big hot ass... if passive IR + electro optical missiles can get this close.

('electro-optical' is a fancy term for basically a visual spectrum camera + computer tracking an identified target... you know, like a snapchat face filter...)

[–] Andonyx@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

" probably when its flying away from the missile launcher and is thus showing its big hot ass... "

Stupid, sexy joint strike fighter.

Star trek 6, "well the thing's gotta have a tailpipe."

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah, it sounds like they're trying to downplay how they disimissed the tech as "outdated" during design and construction.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago

The mindset reminds me of their infamous wargame: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Reading this stuff reminds me of earlier in the 2010s when Iranian weapon systems press releases were always met with mockery, I live in region with heavy military tech development companies. I had a feeling back then that progress is progress and eventually they'll be at a point of close enough to make the risk calculation too high for the US to operate so far from production/maintenance compared to whatever country is the current target for invasion/bombings and their weapon sources. I think we're getting to that point

Operate and lose equipment that cost a billion+ to make equipped with ammunition that are hundreds of thousands to millilions of dollars to resupply that also need to be serviced for extended periods of time and major parts replaced after only a few uses. Parts of the US intentionally let costs run away. Whether they thought the technolical advantage actually made a justifiable enough difference for the poor production rate and maintainability cost is another question

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago

It's possible that we're also just seeing a fundamental shift in tech here. When this plane was being developed, the only way to track the F-35 was to have a world-class radar system. That's the kind of defense net it's meant to evade. But now? You can track things optically just by having a bunch of cameras pointed at the sky, combining data together using some cheap AI system. Did this event happen in the daytime?