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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Nazi_f%C3%A4hrt_nach_Pal%C3%A4stina

In April 1933, von Mildenstein and Tuchler, along with their wives, embarked on a trip to Palestine. Tuchler aimed to demonstrate the development of a "national home" for Jews, seeking to convince von Mildenstein that Jewish emigration could be a solution to the Nazi's "Jewish question". This visit was part of a broader strategy by the Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD) to facilitate Jewish emigration through negotiations with the Nazi regime, which was exploring various options for removing Jews from Germany.

Ein Nazi fährt nach Palästina

A Nazi goes to Palestine

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

One justification for European Jews moving to Israel that I've heard is that they're victims of the Holocaust escaping Europe after the war. IIRC it's also one of the stated reasons Germany and the EU have unquestioning support for Israel.

I don't claim to know what's best for Holocaust victims, but is moving back to their homes in Europe not an option even after the war? Aren't they basically admitting that Europe is so antisimetic that even after Hitler was defeated it's still not safe for Jews to live there, and/or straight up admitting that they genuinely don't want Jews in Europe?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The whole foundation of Herzl political zionism is his belief that antisemitism is an inherent attribute of humans, really it's that stupid. Theodore herzl was your average redditor parroting that greed is human nature but with antisemitism.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lol so he basically believes that humans are genetically hardcoded to hate Jews? Like a baby born in rural nowhere will immediately recognize and start hating a Jew if one walked in?

Honestly he's probably wildly antisemitic and is only projecting that to everyone else so he feels better about himself. "I'm not the problem, everybody hates Jews!"

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Anti-Semitism, Herzl insisted, “is impossible to escape.” And anyone who says otherwise is a “soft-hearted” visionary, who believes that “the ultimate perfection of humanity” is “possible.” Herzl rejected as naïve the political Left view that humans can embrace equality. Humans are inherently corrupt and will forever remain so. Anyone “who would found this hope for improved conditions on the ultimate perfection of humanity, would indeed be painting a Utopia!”7

For both Herzl and Hitler, the Jews constituted one people, distinct from the people in whose company they dwelt. “It might… be objected that I am giving a handle to anti-Semitism when I say we are a people—one people; that I am hindering the assimilation of Jews,” Herzl wrote. But this wasn’t the case, he countered. Anti-Semitism, he argued, was inherent in the souls of men. As such, it didn’t matter whether he called Jews a nation or a religious community. Either way, anti-Semitism would continue to flourish; it was an inescapable part of being a non-Jew. Gentiles had no choice but to be anti-Semites. In modern parlance, Herzl might say that hatred of Jews is part of the gentiles’ genetic code, and that no amount of social engineering is ever going to change it. So, assimilation could hardly be frustrated by Herzl calling Jews a distinct people, since anti-Semitism, permanent and irremediable, ensured that Jews would never be truly assimilated.

From "Israel, a beachhead in the middle east" by Stephen Gowans.

[–] yumpsuit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The service of that myth is part of why German support for Israel is so over the top, yes. Actual treatment of Holocaust survivors in Israel could be really shitty, with high rates of poverty and mistreatment by Zionist settlers. A Hebrew slur against diaspora Jews of the time, “sabonim”, was slang for “coward” and stemmed from the use of Holocaust victims’ body fat to make soap.

However, following the money gets to the real heart of the issue. West Germany retained an enormous amount of money and property that Nazi Germany had stolen from Holocaust victims. Monetary support for Israel and encouraging immigration let the state dodge liability for reparations to individuals. Read more here: https://jacobin.com/2020/11/postwar-west-germany-support-israel-whitewashing