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I guess this means you don't know what a "progressive" is, huh?
Progressives are Neoliberal 2.0. In the corporate sector, this is called getting ahead of the problem. co-op the left before the left can even learn to walk again. There are billionaires on both sides supporting this pseudo world aka left and Right paradigm. We are all just watching Shadows dance on the walls. We are not going to vote our way out of these bigger problems. And if you keep it real and you see how the sausage is made, you can pretty much predict how this is all eventually gonna go. The Ratchet effect. We move further and further to the right. And clearly this has something to do with fiscal realities and the suffering of the working class. Like guns aren't the problem. The problem is fiscal. And those fiscal problems lead to interpersonal issues. The guns don't help though. We don't like to deal with the root causes because it questions the very nature of our existence. Ultimately, I am victorious because we will destroy ourselves. We are literally in the process of destroying all life on Earth. It's kind of awesome being right about everything. Unfortunately, I am mortal and I suffer just like all the other slobs.
Join a Union? Feed the homeless? Organize your fellow tenants? Actually attend a city council meeting?
You're smugly confirming your allegiance to the liberal death cult, because your only conception of "political engagement" is voting in a system that is crumbling before our very eyes.
And no, just voting wouldn't have stopped that decay. Nothing in the world is static, and 1000 years of Obama wouldn't stop the larger political-economic factors that are fueling fascism, political polarization, and civil unrest.
Cool, go vote, especially if it's in your local and state elections that no one actually pays attention to. But disengage from the rat race, and do something with an actual impact in your community.
Not voting means the party has to start offering policies to entice you back.
Blindly supporting means the party can start offering policies to entice those who don't vote for them (conservatives).
Tell me again which moves the overton window?
Focusing on nothing but voting enables neoliberalism in promoting fascism.
Well I’m right behind you bud. I’ll vote AND you let me know what you wanna do.
Vote if you want. But don't waste too much time doing so and join a political org.
Can we stop pretending like voting for the Democrats as they exist now stops the Republicans from winning? It only makes them win more slowly. It is literally why everyone is so disillusioned and why the Democrats were unable to sell their message to enough people. And can we also take for granted that me saying this doesn’t mean that I didn’t vote for Kamala Harris?
No, it doesn't. The pseudo-democratic spectacle liberals call "democracy" is completely immune to abstinence or boycotts.
The libs don't lose when the fascists win. There's a good reason they keep fascists around.
That's true in a democratic system, sure. But what I think the electoral entryists lose sight of is the real incentive of a politician isn't necessarily to win election. The real incentive of a politician is to build political capital within the party/government in order to pursue an objective. And that objective isn't necessarily going to be a popular one.
Case in point, look at the UK Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour Right very deliberately and explicitly tanked their own chances to win in 2019, because they didn't want the policies that Corbyn was championing. The fact that Corbyn had brought in an enormous number of new, enthusiastic left-liberal voters was considered a problem to solve not a benefit of his campaign strategy.
Consequently, when Corbyn lost to Johnson, New Labour spent the next years systematically weeding out all of the new left-liberals introduced to the party in the prior cycle. They consolidated support around Starmer by shrinking participation not by expanding it.
The modern Democratic Party is engaged in a similar project. The goal is not to entice anyone into the party. It is to establish the Dem Party as the only viable alternative to Trump and demand voters approach the liberal(ish) party on its own terms. The Dems exist to cater to the donors first and then to the corporate media and then to the celebrity class.
The only thing that moves the Overton Window is consolidation of control over the local media.
Leftists quite literally need to get control of the airwaves and democratize the engines of journalism and information commerce. Anything else is a fool's errand.
You aren't going to beat FOX News at a propaganda contest by being a Silent Majority. All you're going to get is BlueMAGA blaming you when they lose, while MSNBC calls you a bunch of Putin Bots and TikTok degenerates.
You fucking lawn dart. No it doesn't and this is the dumbest, most short sighted, most fucking idiotic opinion I have seen on the subject.
You and others like you not voting just pushed the Overton window in the direction opposite of what you want.