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Thats not how statistics work. If anything you would have to look at frequency of police custody deaths and check if this is an anomaly or a trend.
I'm not trying to compare custody death rates between different groups I'm simply questioning the relevance of this article as a whole. I think its far more effective for us to be focusing on issue that effect most people before we worry about solving an issue that effects a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
I believe there is plenty of news about large issues. There is no lack of information that prevents humanity from doing better, its a lack of will to act and infinite greed. Reporting even more about the same issues that affect a lot of people wont change that in the slightest.
I think it absolutely will. The efforts of hank green and his team in regards to tuberculosis is a great example of how hammering the same point again and again can have significant effects.
And literally everything else in human history is a great example of why it doesnt work. Everyone knows about the Israeli genocide, nothing happens despite that. In the end getting the information out is an important baseline, but to actually do anything about those situations you need political power.
When I last looked at it, it turned out per capita non-Indigenous died more often than Indigenous
Stats from the last few years are on the dashboard we have made specifically for this:
https://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/deaths-custody-australia-quarterly
They also commit per capita significantly higher amount of crime:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-08/aboriginal-people-20-times-more-likely-to-commit/2602494
Which is what happened in this case as well
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-27/nt-alice-springs-coles-supermarket-death-in-custody/105344116
Many of them live out in the middle of no where are bored and out of work, surrounded by criminals and go no where in life, not much you can really do
Bonus points: Welcome to Alice Springs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MleJyK10uz0
https://youtu.be/YGz1Tiaying?t=3030
Doesn't Non-Indigenous encapsulate more than just "White people"..?
yeah
Cross-posting my rebuttal of this misleading stat:
It's not just that.
[...]
As a prison population, they don't die at a higher rate. As a whole peoples they do.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/09/the-facts-about-australias-rising-toll-of-indigenous-deaths-in-custody
Those middle paragraphs were kinda important though, tbf. It was explaining that as a whole they are more likely to die in custody because they are more likely to be in custody in the first place. When addressing hypotheses specifically about deaths in custody, the first statistic (where indigenous people are not overrepresented) is a lot more meaningful. If they're in custody, they're not more likely to die - that's not 'misleading', is it?
We need to do a lot to improve the treatment of indigenous people, that goes without saying. It's important that we're barking up the right tree, but I appreciate that it's a sensitive topic and it's also important to not just cite cold stats. It's a big issue - why are they overrepresented in custody? I don't think there is some magical instant answer, but I think broader history shows that addressing poverty will simultaneously address a lot of these issues.
Already covers it in the first part. When you compare prison populations Aboriginal people die at a lesser rate because so many are locked that they lower the trend.
When you compare per person in society, they are overwhelmingly dying more often in custody compared to any other group.
Who's down voting this? How can people dislike hard objective data?
Because your statement reads as “people dying isn’t good but this affects fuck all people”
That's what my comment was. I was just confused about why some other guy who just dropped the facts and data was being downvoted.
Because his contexless stats is just 13/50 for indigenous Australians. I know it's popular with American conservatives to say that black people deserve it, but we can do better.
Well it’s a discussion in bad taste. I don’t really know how to explain more because this should be obvious already why people wouldn’t like seeing it.
I can present a report on an extremely low LTIFR right after a workplace fatality and watch as I never get to present data in that room again.
Turning around and saying “but it’s factual!” isn’t going to get a “you’re right. Good job mate”
Lemmy is super left wing progressive, nothing to do with bad taste, this is the current top comment:
Where have I seen this before? https://youtu.be/0lcYP_zOOXg?t=134 😁
So an article about something is fine. But some hard data related to the article that proves the articles core tenant is false is "in bad taste". Is this cos u don't like the the reality of the facts and prefer the false reality? U would rather push a false narrative because it aligns with your belies? Misinformation is OK when I agree with it?
Because before editing it was drawing wrong conclusions from the data. If you torture data long enough it will confess to anything.
Cos it's shit.
As a bleeding heart leftist, this is a very sound argument. I'm a huge advocate for indigenous rights, and I get worried seeing articles that essentially imply police brutality (specifically towards indigenous people over non-indigenous) is the root cause of problems, when the evidence is that it is much deeper, systemic, and more complicated than that. Perhaps people want the problem to be police brutality because that would be a more tangible problem, something that can be fixed in a reasonable amount of time with the right review or changes to policing.
I get it - it sucks even thinking about issues where there are no "good" solutions. It's a tragedy that indigenous people are overrepresented in custody, but it's ultimately poverty that leads to being in custody in the first place. I wish people directed more attention towards addressing indigenous poverty rather than band-aid fixes that won't really lead to long-term healing.
With that said, any death in custody deserves proper review. There was no reason this arrest had to end this way.
Sorry but if Indigenous people are like a 3% of the total population and that table shows absolute numbers, you have the per capita calculation very wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/guebcy/comment/fsi6oql/
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17
My bad I'll separate the comments because I wasn't referring one to the other