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You're speaking in abstracts, which there is certainly a separate welcome conversation on, but how are those of Irish descent treated differently? Can you give me a concrete example, even anecdotal, where someone of Irish descent in New England was treated worse simply because they were of Irish descent?
Structural Racism look it up
I can barely give you an example off the top of my head of a white person acting racist towards a black person in front of me, but that doesn't mean the landscape around me wasn't shaped by a racism towards black people....? It just means I have been fortunate? enough to be shielded from seeing it most of the time when it actually rears its ugly head....
I'm well aware of it, and I gave you three examples of how structural racism discriminates in my first post to you. Your answer was:
Even if I go on a deep search about the definition of structural racism, I won't have your personal knowledge about which you are saying occurs to those of Irish heritage. That's why I'm asking you. If you have seen it, have experienced, it or even been told about how it has affected those of Irish heritage, I'd think this should be easy to have an example. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Far from it! I'm saying I don't have your knowledge and experience as it relates to Irish aspects and I'm interested in learning it.
Really? I can think of a lot off the top of my head and I'm pasty white guy:
You aren't listening to me if you think I am saying I haven't been in an environment that was actively being racist towards black people, I am saying I can't easily point to a single place and say "look there! Racism against black people! Catch it!" because I am fortunate to live in a fairly progressive place.
The racism is still VERY much there, but it is structural often, harder to point to, that is my point.
Or in the case of our conversation impossible to point to.
I had a huge reply typed up citing sources on both the ease of which there is to find examples of structural racism against people of color in the USA, and the lack of any sources on the same for those of Irish heritage in the USA but I deleted that post . You say its there, can't point to any scholarly work or even anecdotal examples. I'm not sure what to do with that. I find no sources to learn of this from, and you aren't able to provide any yourself. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm not saying you're making this all up, but I'm also not seeing any corroboration anywhere. There's nothing to act on. Nothing to learn. Nothing to change.
If there is injustice in our society, I want to do my part in working against it, but there's nothing to even start with on on modern day discrimination against Americans of Irish descent.
If you have any more to offer on this, I'm interested, but otherwise it feels like we've exhausted the topic to the ends of our collective knowledge.