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Leopards Ate My Face

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[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Not everyone has the luxury of the free time and effort to pay enough attention, and those people vote. I'm not suggesting absolving them of their individual responsibility. They contributed and they have to reckon with that. I'm suggesting that we recognise the role that the system they exist in plays, too. And that they're human which means they have all the failings that come along with that.

Do we hold Oppenheimer responsible for all the deaths the Manhatten Project caused? I argue we shouldn't, but he still had to personally reckon with the moral weight of it.

Two things can both be true: someone can have been part of the cause of injustice and join the fight for justice. We can both hold them accountable; and encourage their growth, offer them grace, and welcome them to the right side of history. We don't have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn't help IMO.

(As I've said elsewhere, no reservations about mocking the unrepentant)

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

We don’t have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn’t help IMO...

Yeah, but we're on round 3 for people listening to trump's campaigns.

Also in case you missed it...

I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016.

Honestly, it's gone so badly the last 3 rounds that I really think we ought to have a basic "in touch with reality test" and then weight votes based on whether people can answer objective true/false questions like... "The earth is a flat disc being accellerating upwards through space" and "Bacteria and Viruses are real, and can cause diseases."