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[–] DesolateMood@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

When you've been around a while, you begin to notice certain trends.

This particular trend being the one where the young, bright, ethical start-up turns into the sort of monster they originally rallied against, ensh*ttifying their product and spouting all the same reasons for it.

Signal is relatively young, bright and ethical. The cynic says "for now".

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Signal is very actively and directly working to pioneer a new financial model for long term software business stability that does not rely on surveillance capitalism. Your experience with young companies enshittifying into monsters is the natural cycle for the surveillance economy, and if Signal does eventually go that way it will be a profound disappointment, but I expect the foundation would rather die first. Check out this interview from last year with the president of the Signal Foundation for more depth on that.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a risk, and a reason I'd like to see something federated succeed in this space. Unfortunately neither Matrix nor XMPP has managed to achieve quite the level of UX necessary for mainstream adoption, nor have the average person's tech skills and comfort level improved.

Signal's status as a well-funded nonprofit gives me hope that the current situation is reasonably stable.

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Several XMPP clients look perfectly fine

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm sure there are several I would consider fine for me.

I'm skeptical that they can be fine for someone who doesn't know what federation means, isn't especially upset that a handful of megacorporations control most human communication, and already finds the fact that I'm asking them to use anything different from what they're used to annoying. XMPP has more things for the end user to think about than Signal does even if a client is very polished.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That's pretty much the only advantage of getting old.