All from in this thread in !world@lemmy.world about a chant at a British music festival where an artist said "death, death to the IDF".
After other users were quoting that chant in the comments and had comments removed and banned, the hero of our story, @theacharnian@lemmy.ca (appearing as "acargitz") pointed out that under international law, fighting an occupying force is legitimate. But apparently not under world news rules, as their removed comments and the many explanations from mods make clear in the thread.
Equally against the rules is the call for the eradication of an organisation or business, even without an explicit call to violence against individual members of the business.
In the same thread: user @DeathToTheIDF@lemmings.world had comments removed for being anti-American "(again)", though I couldn't see the first time. It's not even clear to me how the removed comments were anti-American.
Bonus points for the "DC Comics" removal reason. Though this seems to be incompetence, rather than malice.
This is about 'why are you still in this thread, sorru, didn't notice during initial response.
Yeah, getting a lot of replies in this thread. Hard to keep them all straight when my inbox says (21).
But yeah, as for why I'm participating here... That's a longer story.
I was on reddit 15 years before it imploded and the #1 thing that chapped my ass were moderators who would do shit with no explanation.
Thread locked. Thread removed. Users banned. They literally felt (feel?) that they didn't owe anyone an explanation. I resolved to do better, and the way I go about it is with transparency. I LOVE that lemmy moderation logs are public.
If I remove a post or a comment, you will be damn sure you know why I removed it. When a user gets banned, it should be clear to all involved why it happened.
PTB, for the most part, are the whiny little bitches who cannot stand that someone else dared to tell them "No."
There are legitimate abuses of power, look at, well, almost anything .ml gets away with. If they were anyone other than the founding lemmy instance, they would have been defederated AGES ago.
But they still host valuable communities, so nobody wants to treat them the way we treated hexbear. I get it.
The DOWNSIDE is that by being more public facing than other mods, that makes me a target for harrassment.
Did you know, I have a personal troll who creates accounts specifically to attack me? They are hilariously bad at it and get instance banned within minutes, and they never seem to learn from their mistakes. Someday they'll discover sex or something and will stop... someday.
Okay. So, last thing first, you know some people are asexual, right?
While it's not common, it is entirely possible your troll will not discover sex, or will discover then dismiss it.
But your inability to acknowledge the violence you do endorse and allow in communities you moderate, while still banning even the faintest whiff of any other violence is kind of exactly like that
Well, I was going to say "someday they'll discover masturbation" but they're clearly already engaging in that. 😉
Removing comments and banning users isn't violence, it's good housekeeping. It's also a requirement of modding a lemmy community.
Im not arguing that your moderation is violence. I dont think-this has been going a while and i have been on a very fun rainbow of drugs this week, so canmot confirm.
I'm saying that you advocate for violence, but a violence you refuse to acknowledge or punish others for speaking. It puts the lie to your rule, and leaves the rest of us fumbling to figure out the truth. Which is extra infuriating when you deny that there us such a thing.
I get the rainbow of drugs, that was me last week!
I really don't know how to make it simpler than I've already stated.
There are degrees of moderation. For example... two users engaging in an internet slap fight. If you're going to make me be the dad in the room, I'm going to remove all your comments and ban both of you for 24 hours to cool off. I like to think of that as the "I don't care who started it, I'm finishing it" rule.
Some users are chill about it, some get butthurt over it, some repeat offend which makes the next ban longer, and longer until it's clear they're just trolling and get a permaban.
The user who started this whole thread directly called for violence, got removed and warned, did it again which earned a 3 day ban, that expires tomorrow so we'll see how it goes. Based on their attitude here I'm not exactly optimistic. They know the rules, if they come back with the same crap they will be permabanned and I will not feel bad about it.
The user who defended them was warned, proceeded to attack me as a mod which also earned a 3 day ban. They would have been temp banned for attacking any user, mods are not an exception to that. Again, we'll see how it goes. They don't seem exactly contrite, so again, not optimistic.
A lot of users take the bans in stride. I've had multiple PMs from people along the lines of "Sorry, I was drunk, it won't happen again."
Where they don't want to be is on the moderation radar. When we get reports, we see who is being reported and who is doing the reporting. Usually the same names pop up over and over again.
Some names I look at and I'm like "They always make a solid report, let's see what it is this time..."
Other names it's "Oh, god, this asshole... AGAIN..."
Most of the time it's names I don't recognize at all.
Youre trying realky hard to avoid answering the question I'm actually answering. Its kind of creepy.
We're not friends, dude.
We aren't punishing users for speaking, we're punishing users for breaking the rules of the community.
Let me be 100% clear here... there is no 1st Amendment freedom of speech on lemmy. That applies only to government action and we are not the government.
You can't come into lemmy and just say whatever you want, wherever you want. That's what 4Chan is for. lemmy.world has rules, different communities have rules. Don't like it? Find a different instance or community.
But if you dont clarify the rules and their actual meanings, you're a dick for banning people for rules they cannot read in full.
We are never going to sufficiently define every word to the satisfaction of some pedants. If you aren't aware of the common meaning of a word like "violence" then you have bigger problems, but they aren't on us to solve.
I think you exclude some things-some weird ones, but not others. I think that needs to be noted, or you are a power tripping bastard.
A laudable goal. But one you are so clearly not actually attempting to live up to. If you were, you might have realised all the people telling you that you're being a lower tripping hastard have a point.
You can't ban a person for saying "get rid of genocidal institutions" and then claim it was a Just act on the basis of a no violence policy.
If you were a good mod, you'd say "mea culpa. I made a mistake. Let me reverse it and unban the user." But you're not a good mod, you're a power tripping bastard who has doubled down every single time you get called out—except for all the times you've chosen to try to deflect the conversation into irrelevancy.
They don't have a point. Look at their modlogs.
They are whiny kids, or people with the emotional intelligence of whiny kids, who just can't stand authority and being told "No, you can't do that."
Lemmy has a large anarchic element, it's really no wonder.
And compare what they're saying with what you banned them for.
Yeah, like the guy I literally just banned for pro-Israel propaganda:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=89129