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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)

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[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Zelenskyy tried to surrender and Boris Johnson stopped him?! Ooooookay… He maaaybe (all “unnamed” sources) expressed an opinion, which the U.K. learnt the hard way, that you cannot negotiate with dictators. There can be no “peace in our time” with dictators hellbent on destruction.

To cast that as “Ukraine was stopped from surrendering” is just obscene … and yet another Kremlin talking point.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago

Russia and Ukraine may have agreed on a tentative deal to end the war in April, according to a recent piece in Foreign Affairs.

“Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement,” wrote Fiona Hill and Angela Stent. “Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”

The news highlights the impact of former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s efforts to stop negotiations, as journalist Branko Marcetic noted on Twitter. The decision to scuttle the deal coincided with Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia for two key reasons: Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end.

Foreign Affairs is a Kremlin propaganda outlet now?

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

“Reportedly” means “others report”.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago

Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia

Hmm let's look at the source on that: Ukrainska Pravda, a Ukranian language paper headquartered in Kyiv, owned by a Ukranian investment company also headquartered in Kyiv.

Kremlin propaganda!

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -3 points 1 year ago

Sigh.

You do understand how propaganda works, right? It works by zooming in on molehills until they appear like mountains. So while I wouldn’t rule out that Johnson the Idiot said something unwise to Zelensky government, I also don’t automatically think that it means Zelenski was “forced to not give up”.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Sigh

farquaad-point redditor!

I also don’t automatically think that it means Zelenski was “forced to not give up”.

Ukraine negotiates ceasefire.
BJ tells Ukraine to not go through with it.
Ukraine does not go through with it.

Why else would Ukraine have reversed course if not for one of its NATO puppetmasters commanding it to? Either it's that, or BJ making a really impassioned argument for sending a bunch of Ukranians to an early grave and Zelensky fell for it, or Zelensky just changed his mind all on his own and the timing is a pure coincidence.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -3 points 1 year ago

What leverage exactly do you think Johnson had over Ukraine? He hasn’t even got leverage over his toilet seat.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

Fuck you're not even sighing anymore, you're really invested now, aren't you?
Also nice goalpost movement, you're a dickhead

[-] Annakah69@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Ukraine has the most corrupt state in the world, the UK has a shit load of money.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

You are not immune to propaganda.
Who gives a shit what you "wouldn't rule out" when even western media goes against you? Get your head out of your ass

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Okay, but it is literally a propaganda source that is aligned with Ukraine lmao. We know it is propaganda, we are presenting it because even the ukrainian propaganda acknowledges it as factual.