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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (34 children)

It'll stop when Russia leaves.

Edit: anyone who supports Russia is a fascist. Follow your Leader.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Do you think it is realistic that Russia will unilaterally pull out? The war will end when Russia leaves, but Russia isn't going to leave until they are pushed out, negotiations are had, or Ukraine is destroyed. The first possibility is becoming increasingly more unlikely, and the last is something that nobody should want

That leaves negotiations. I think Ukraine should come to the table while they still have some leverage, which is decreasing every week that they throw their men into the meat grinder without meaningful gains.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago (11 children)

It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.

[–] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah why negotiate now while we still have hundreds of thousands of lives to throw into the meat grinder.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yes, that's exactly Putin's reasoning. Glad you figured that out.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

You're in a thread about Ukraines failed counteroffensive

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 years ago

You do realise that it was Ukraine who refuesed to negotiate and not the other way around? Also, mind reminding me who it is that is performing a failing counteroffensive?

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

You don't make any sense man. I feel like you're all red in the face when you write these nonsensical replies.

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