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Why did they choose pigs to caricature zionists?
capitalist pigs
And here I thought they used it because it's tradition to portray Jews as pigs for European anti-semites for centuries now.
it's more common to portray jews as rats. like i get where you're coming from, but i think they picked what they picked to avoid the antisemitic dog whistle. that's just my read though as a dude with curly hair, a big nose, and sensitivity to "is this person hating me for my jewish ancestry"
A whole range of animals have been used for that (also, the kraken), but pigs left a nasty taste for me because a very common insult for Jews by German fascists has been (and still is) "jew sod" ("Judensau").
for sure. that's like… kind of a genuine challenge with looking for and understanding antisemitism is that how it presents itself changes through the eras. but in our current age, i think people are more likely to associate pigs with capitalism and anti-jewishness than with jews. like. i think it's important and good that we're having these conversations so we can understand the current status of anti semitism especially as israeli backed organizations water down these things by applying the term antisemitism to too many things.
and as you say, there's a major aspect of regionality. antisemitism looks different depending on the place
this stops the famine in Gaza and Palestinian babies getting decapitated by Israeli bombs how?
You know, you can have more than one discussion at once and anti-semitism is still a thing despite Israel’s war on Palestine, and unfortunately, these two topics intersect at certain points.
lemmy lacks all sense of nuance
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165443
Ah yes now is the time to be nuanced and cautious /s
removing nuance helps not a single palestinian and isolates people who are experiencing hate against them to the only side that says there is hate, and that's a group that brandishes that hate to perpetuate more hate. jews who are focused on doikyat need to be able to talk to their peers who are scared about what they are scared of in order to direct them to help the oppressed people of palestine and understand that zionism will fuel that hate against them rather than protect them. that is a delicate conversation and denying that only helps the zionist. it may be simple for you because you do not require deprogramming, but for us we have to assess things and pull apart how the media like the new york times and the bbc manipulates us based on the fears we fear. we have to understand the dog whistles of the zionists and the anti-semites and deconstruct them. the reason for this is that anti-semites and zionists preach the same message: there is no place for jews here. by creating a black and white binary view of the influences on our outlook we create a situation where one persons binary doesn't match another binary. these have been the tools of division for 20k years. the real way forward is to make clear that what you want is a world safe for all who live on it, and what you are against is hate based ideologies. when a jew says they are experiencing a rise in hatred in their day to day life take a moment to acknowlege that this is real and that it's israel who's driving this fear and benefits from it.
Why is germany still sending weapons to genociders?
Don‘t know, didn‘t vote for that government.
Ah but the government you did vote for do exactly as you want, don't it?
What? The politicians I voted for are not part of the government, they are in opposition.
If you did, would you then know why they are sending weapons to Israel?
Tell me one party in the German parliament right now that even calls what’s happening in Gaza what it is - a genocide.
Part of Die Linke does. Party itself calls for a stop of weapon deliveries and the recognition of the Palestinian state.
And at the same time die „Linke“ calls for stopping support of Ukraine which is the only way to stop the russian genocide at least in this part of the world.
Because even jews should be digusted with zionists.
Many are.
You seem more upset with a fictional possibility of an antisemitic symbol than with the actual genocide that’s currently being perpetrated by the Zionists
It’s not a fictional possibility. And I can be upset about more things than one.
There's a few non-antisemitic takes. First off, it's a depiction of NYT specifically. We should not immediately conflate this with Zionists in general.
First is 'capitalist pigs'. Israel as a project might be Zion to Zionists, but to organizations it's a way to grab property and develop more speculative goods.
The other can be from the perspective of NYT as a news org 'pumping out cartloads of shit'.
A final one I can think of is the pigs from Orwell's Animal Farm. The pigs in it used manipulative rhetoric to get the other animals to both obey them and included standing by as their friends were executed for 'the greater good'. At the End of the book, the pigs are no different than the humans the farm animals drove out to secure their freedom, dressing in human clothes, walking on two legs, living in the farmer's house, and making deals with the farmers. It was a critique by Orwell of communist movements being hijacked to only benefit their vangaurds rather than the prolateriat as a whole, but I can see how the metaphor can fit for a news org siding with Zionists instead of writing truthfully about the Gaza genocide.