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"Donald Trump is a liberal"
Break this down.
I'll oversimplify a bit, but here you go. In economic terms, liberalism is a market oriented economy, and the current iteration of neoliberalism is marked by social welfare cuts and tax cuts for the rich with "trickle down" effect in mind (allegedly). That ideology is shared by both the democratic and republican parties. The difference between communists and liberals in the sense the word is most often used, is that economic approach, and from that perspective both liberals and conservatives are "liberal".
Now the common use of the word is a bit different, but that's almost exclusively US from what I can tell. Hexbear is also international though, and liberal is a common term for right wingers where I'm from for example.
Hope I could help.
"The colloquialisms from the place I am directly talking about don't matter as much as this one I am using, everyone who disagrees is propagandized"
This is what I'm seeing when I read your comment. I can call the sky green all damn day, that doesn't make it green, you dip.
Wow what an insightful response to a user answering your question in good faith! I cannot imagine why you would ever be treated with derision or condescention
You reap what you sow. I figured a tankie would know about planting things but I suppose I was wrong again.
Funny because the other user sowed a civil and good-faith response. I'm used to that resulting in a response in good faith as well, and yet here you are with shit in your diapers acting like a pissbaby. Must be something in the soil
Most civil and good faith lemmylib.
Exactly the same as a chud saying college biology is fake pseudoscience because of the biology they were taught in 5th grade.
In any decent political science education in the states you will also see these definitions. You can stop having a tantrum about it.
Really? I see them answering the question you asked.
Let me oversimplify even more. Donald Trump upholds the American Revolution which turned British America into a liberal republic.
I think Donald Trump is a communist. He takes care of his own, disregards the status quo and talks mad shit about libs just like hexbears.
So it must be true, Donald Trump is a communist liberal.
Suck it westoids.
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This isn't a colloquialism. This is a basic definition used within political science.
If you're going to talk politics on a serious level then using the terminology of political science matters and, if that's too much of a stretch, then at least avoid colloquial terms which contradict the terms used in political science.
Americans can call the sky green as much as they want. In the rest of the world, Liberalism = Liberalism, not "democrat".
Liberals are people that believe in liberalism, which can be summed up as "everyone has the individual right to be an asshole, even if it fucks everyone else over".
Locke was a classical liberal. Trump is a neoliberal. This is very simple.
Trump is a neocommunist.
Socialism is when the government does stuff and the more the government does, the socialister it is, and if the government does a whole lot if stuff, it's communism!
Trump quotes Karl Marx regularly and if you can get a look at his left butt cheek you'll see a Che Guevara tattoo.
Total communist, Bigtime, his socialism is yuge.
Liberalism has a couple of different definitions. The one you're thinking of is the one in US politics where "Liberal" is synonymous with "Left'. This isn't how it's being used here though.
Liberalism, as a broad ideological trend that came out of the enlightenment, contains within it, Conservatism. Conservatism was theorized by people like Edmund Burke who, seeing that the previous feudal hierarchy was dying off, sought to preserve it, at least as much as was possible, by accepting Liberal notions of property rights and capitalism.
So, instead of a social hierarchy being ordained by God, it's decided by the market, and social conflict is meditated through the liberal, Lockean, Republic.
So when we call Trump a liberal, we mean it in this broad sense. He's still a conservative, but conservatism is a subset of capital L Liberalism.
This is in contrast to Leftism, which also contains a lot of things within it, but breaks from a lot of the philosophical assumptions that undergird Liberalism.
This is actually helpful, thank you for this.
liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. donald trump is a capitalist. donald trump is a liberal. easy.
Is there anything confusing about that statement?
Yes, otherwise they would not have asked it. We all learn something new everyday, and what's old for you is novel for others. We cannot expect everyone to be well-versed in theory that was once new to us as well
Uh, I think I was right to be suspicious of their good faith.
Maybe, maybe not. But that statement is going to be deeply confusing to the average American for whom "liberal" is synonymous with "left".