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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I more meant the problem of evil than paradox of ominipotence.

Yes, all evidence points to god not existing. Abrahamic god just strikes me as particulary cruel in most denominations, definitely not something i would like to worship even if i had.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Abrahamic faiths provide a reason for suffering existing, namely as a test with a reward (heaven) for the good or punishment(hell) for the evil.

I'd argue faiths which state that everyone goes to heaven after dying even if they were literally Hitler are true cruelty, because that'd mean there is no point to the suffering.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Abrahamic faiths provide a reason for suffering existing, namely as a test with a reward (heaven) for the good or punishment(hell) for the evil.

Except for quite a lot of them the reward have nothing in common with good or evil, some believe in predestination, some just require faith. And it's even before we get to their praxis. Heaven and hell itself are even arguable concepts. For me the concept of vague, mutable, contradictory and unverifable "test" is incredibly cruel.

I’d argue faiths which state that everyone goes to heaven after dying even if they were literally Hitler are true cruelty, because that’d mean there is no point to the suffering.

Which ones do you mean?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Except for quite a lot of them the reward have nothing in common with good or evil, some believe in predestination, some just require faith. And it’s even before we get to their praxis

Most Christian and Islamic branches. Traditional Judaism as well though watered down.

For me the concept of vague, mutable, contradictory and unverifable “test” is incredibly cruel.

It's mostly praying to god, and if you're rich give your money to the poor. Not the most complex material

Which ones do you mean?

Branches like Christian universalism.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s mostly praying to god, and if you’re rich give your money to the poor. Not the most complex material

Up and including suffering genocide.

Branches like Christian universalism.

Isn't that just a collection of tiny sects?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Up and including suffering genocide.

Everything is relative to reward.

One amongst the denizens of Hell who had led a life of ease and plenty amongst the people of the world would be made to dip in Fire only once on the Day of Resurrection and then it would be said to him: O, son of Adam, did you find any comfort, did you happen to get any material blessing? He would say: By Allah, no, my Lord.

And then that person from amongst the persons of the world be brought who had led the most miserable life (in the world) from amongst the inmates of Paradise. and he would be made to dip once in Paradise and it would be said to him. 0, son of Adam, did you face, any hardship? Or had any distress fallen to your lot? And he would say: By Allah, no, 0 my Lord, never did I face any hardship or experience any distress.

Isn’t that just a collection of tiny sects?

Of the major Arbrahamic faiths yes. There's also different religions such as the Druze which believe that instead of hell there's reincarnation which is more of an in-between path.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, assuming every other factor is identical, someone being murdered in a genocide gets higher reward that someone living in peace?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From the Sunni Islamic perspective, which is what most Palestinians follow, yes.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's incentivising the martyrdom

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rewarding martyrdom is not incentivizing it. The Palestinians didn't invite Israel to come occupy and genocide them.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In case of Palestinians no, of course not. But it did worked like that through history in various cases.