194
[Vote] Should we defederate hexbear?
(sh.itjust.works)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2023
194 points (81.3% liked)
The Agora
1598 readers
1 users here now
In the spirit of the Ancient Greek Agora, we invite you to join our vibrant community - a contemporary meeting place for the exchange of ideas, inspired by the practices of old. Just as the Agora served as the heart of public life in Ancient Athens, our platform is designed to be the epicenter of meaningful discussion and thought-provoking dialogue.
Here, you are encouraged to speak your mind, share your insights, and engage in stimulating discussions. This is your opportunity to shape and influence our collective journey, just like the free citizens of Athens who gathered at the Agora to make significant decisions that impacted their society.
You're not alone in your quest for knowledge and understanding. In this community, you'll find support from like-minded individuals who, like you, are eager to explore new perspectives, challenge their preconceptions, and grow intellectually.
Remember, every voice matters and your contribution can make a difference. We believe that through open dialogue, mutual respect, and a shared commitment to discovery, we can foster a community that embodies the democratic spirit of the Agora in our modern world.
Community guidelines
New posts should begin with one of the following:
- [Question]
- [Discussion]
- [Poll]
Only moderators may create a [Vote] post.
Voting History & Results
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Hahaha no way.
So if I say "We hate bigots and fascists."
You just read "We hate"?
Why did you just say 'we hate' twice idgi
I read "We hate anyone who doesn't agree with us."
Said out loud: "We hate bigots and fascists."
Unsaid but implied in many interactions: "Anyone who doesn't agree with us is a bigot or a fascist."
Combine: "We hate bigots and fascists, by which we mean anyone who doesn't agree with us."
Simplify: "We hate anyone who doesn't agree with us."
Wow I can't believe I said that.
What is it I don't agree with again?
You used "we". Who is "we"? The rest of the discussion implies that "we" means "we Hexbear users".
So here's a better question: how can a White, cisgender, ~~cissexual~~ hererosexual man politically to the right of Bernie Sanders disagree with you without being a bigot or a fascist?
You say that like Bernard is the ne plus ultra of genuine progressivism.
Also did you mean to say heterosexual or did I finally encounter a "LGBTT" type in the wild?
Nah, I meant to say heterosexual and had a brain fart. Basically, someone who came out of the birth canal with a low score in the Oppression Olympics.
Idk should look into that a bit more.
Which views do you hold that are to the right of a center left liberal?
Well, here are a few that are controversial with the extreme left:
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are good things. While I can't ask the state to let itself be overthrown by ignoring ideological/religious/personality-cult calls to revolt, I don't want a narrowly defined state ideology used as a tool of court politics like Iran or the USSR.
When collective rights conflict with individual rights, I'm mostly in favor of individual rights. If a local group pops up that takes a married woman's property and gives it to her husband, bans divorce, and lets husbands beat their wives, I want my government to use laws mandating equality against them instead of give them communal autonomy. I don't care what color their skin is or what language they speak.
There is no good reason to believe that true communism will ever work for a group bigger than 10,000 people. I'm being generous because I'm not certain it has worked for 3,000. Also, true communism will be very hard to sustain in a commune that reproduces itself by birth to current members if the children have anywhere else to go. Communes that reproduce by attracting new members instead of by birth to current members, a.k.a. monasteries, can sustain communism indefinitely. (Buddhist monasteries have had very large populations, but it's rarely clear at a glance whether the monastery feeds the monks or if they have to work for their own food.)
The more a group trumpets "diversity" and "tolerance", the less tolerance they have for diversity of thought and view. They're overjoyed to recruit any color or shape of body so long as the mind inside toes the party line.
Anarchy (actual lack of a state) is the best friend patriarchy could want. A band of brothers makes a powerful coalition to rob and kill others, or on the flipside to protect their blood relatives. That puts a lot of power into the hands of grandfathers who have a posse of grandsons to fight for the family and can refuse to defend you if you don't obey.
Communist rule has been excellent for education, basic health care, and redistributing the wealth present when the Communists were elected. But it's been poor for increasing wealth.
Where does hexbear oppose freedom of religion? And do you really want freedom of nazi speech?
The individual rights hexbear opposes are landlording and bosses owning the means of production, not this weird shit you brought up in the rest of the bullet. I actually have no idea what you're talking about. Neither anarchists nor MLs want that.
Cuba is pretty functional despite being heavily sanctioned — they developed their own COVID vaccines — but you're talking about actual communes. Despite the name, when people talk about "communism" they don't usually mean actual communes.
"toeing the party line" — you guys literally do the same thing, shunning anyone who thinks like hexbear does.
I'm not an anarchist, but anarchists don't want the wild west. Go read what serious anarchists actually want.
Again, communist nations like Cuba are heavily sanctioned, that is why they are poor.
I think this comment is pretty illuminating, and I don't mean that in a bad way. A lot of you just fundamentally do not know what hexbears think or why, and you don't really share a common political language and set of concepts to talk in, and you end up filling in the gaps with assumptions.