MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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Most of the time it's pointing out dog whistles and common slogans antisemites use to identify one another while also radicalising "normies"
It's difficult
Stilñ waiting for evidence about it being most of the time rather thsn sometimes
Okay, sure. So, an example is the red arrow; you've probably seen some Twitter users or Hexbear users have the red arrow when referring to zionists.
This red arrow is a reference to Hamas propaganda videos, which in of itself is a reference to the Holocaust A "normie" would never know this, but extremists and antisemites can use it to identify one another while handwaving those who point out the dog whistle, 'Oh, it's just an arrow, don't be so paranoid.'
Tsnkies are not the whole world show me surveys
What? I'm just going to assume a language barrier here and you didn't understand me.
You asked for evidence of dog whistles, and so I showed an example.
No, i ask proof that generally not only in lemmy or a certain lemmy instances most antizionists are antisemites.
Okay, but you do acknowledge that there are those who use zionism as a dog whistle for jew?
I only ever see Zionists doing that.
How you mean?
Yes but this doesn't make antizionism in general bad and don't discredit palestinian liberation mouvement either
Depends really. I stand by in saying that if you support two states then you're a zionist, and you'll find that's the majority's opinion on the matter.
Do you support two states?
You are ignoring what zionist thinkers and leaders said so i still stand by saying supporting a two state solution do not make you a zionist, believing that the zionists imigrants had the right to force a state on local population and ethnically cleansing them is being a zionist. I support a one state because a two state make zero sense.West bank and gaza are not contiguous so how palestinians could move between both without israeli control? A two state would also mean displacing hundred thousands of israelis and palestinians , it would have a big impact on israeli economy so imagine how much worse would be for palestine to absord 3 millions palestinians.
Believing in a one state is the ultimate believe in antisimitism being bad since both semetic group could reconciliate and live together after 57 years of occupation
Wait how would a two state mean displacement? You do know what a two state solution is, right?
There is 700k illegal settlers in the west bank naturally in a two state they will be displaced to israel