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[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This is true. I’ve seen it in the CrossFit, Jiu-Jitsu, and Olympic weightlifting spaces a lot. And as a straight cis male who likes being strong, it’s a constant upstream swim to counter these sometimes very subtle right-wing narratives.

I do so by simply asking a lot of questions and playing the Socratic method with them. It takes a lot of time, patience, and energy, but it works, more often than not.

Like, there’s nothing wrong with masculinity, self-improvement, stoicism, achievement, strength, hard work, prosperity, or competition. But people sometimes need reminding what all this self-improvement and achievement is for.

I try to remind my friends that one gets strong so that one can protect and bolster the weak, not in order to dominate and exploit them. With masculinity I try to embody “firefighter” values instead of “police” values, if that makes sense.

If you’re in these spaces, please speak up without being preachy or combative out the gate. Be curious and ask genuine questions - people just want to be seen and heard first. Even when they have misguided or even hateful opinions, it does often start as a seed from legitimate complaints (that’s what the right exploits). People are often more open-minded than you think, it’s just that they don’t have as much personal exposure to lefties who value them (mostly working class and petite bourgeoisie white guys) as people with inherent value and default decency. Interact with them in person, without disdain by default, and find things about which you can agree, and you’ll break their Fox News-inspired demonized stereotypes of you.

That’s how you un-cultify a person, one at a time. Like, when they find out I’m very much not a Trumper, but also not a screaming blue hair soy boy satanist furry or whatever, it cooks their noodle.

So often we just turn our noses up, and our backs on, these kinds of people. And they in turn hate and resent us for it when the right swoops in and gives them a sense of belonging and purpose.

The right is really good at this shit. We kind of suck at it. We’re too busy doing purity tests and fighting each other over language.

Anyway, this isn’t my space, I’m just offering my 2¢.

Edit: look, I hate Fascism, but I try to remind myself that many of these working class folks have been tricked and manipulated by very powerful well-heeled interests. I try to reserve my ire for the specific billionaires and politicians who have architected this shit. I often fail at this (as my comment history can attest), and feel very angry at my neighbors for their stupidity. It’s a daily battle.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

I have a nephew who is really pushing his own landscaping/plowing services, working his ass off and making bank.

I was riding with him the other day and instead of music he's listening to self-improvement stuff. He's recently sober and taking life seriously.

So I started chatting with him and he said it's Jordan Peterson.

I warned him that while Peterson has a lot of good points, he will get political in weird ways. All I can do is help him open his eyes a little and be aware of what he's consuming.

He's always been right-leaning but when my wife and I break down a topic we disagree about, he really tends to get it.

Pronouns, for example. A couple years back we told him it's just basic respect to refer to someone how they want to be referred to. Whether you agree or not with their how they deal with their underlying issues, it's their issue that they have to live with 24/7.

And we saw a little light go on behind his eyes. It was a nice moment.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 4 days ago

I do so by simply asking a lot of questions and playing the Socratic method with them. It takes a lot of time, patience, and energy, but it works, more often than not.

Everything I've read supports this. You have to spend a lot of time and effort to reach someone. People change their beliefs because of their peers, not because of facts. You have to get them to see you as trusted, as in-group, before they'll listen.

It sucks, especially when there's mass media promoting toxic messages that people can just go wallow in.