Trump giving Alaska resources to Putin
Let's talk about Epstein files and how they both tried to compete with sleeping with princess Diana
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Where on Earth do you draw the line beyond which people aren't good people anymore?
"Well, he's devoted to supporting an obvious villain, but he only force feeds rat poison to children occasionally, so he's still good people.". 🙄
Tbh the whole "good people vs bad people" is a bit of an oversimplification when political stuff gets involved I think. It makes some sense when it comes to immediate-scale things; if someone is a jerk that abuses or exploits the people around them, it's probably not a good idea to associate with them or trust them, and it's easier to communicate this with "this person is bad" than listing it all out. Similarly, if someone is friendly, helps out etc, it's easier to just tell people "yeah, they're a good person" when asked and it gets the point across.
But ideological and political positions, while they certainly have consequences that help and hurt people, those consequences are sometimes harder to see and require getting information from other people. What if you have someone that comes across as kind, would help out a neighbor or befriend a new person at work, etc, but they believe some ideological position that if implemented would hurt many people, or support some politician that promotes the same? What if they do so not really even seeing the contradiction, because the people they for whatever reason trust tell him that this person or position actually helps people, that the reports that it's harmful are lies, and that the people with other ideas are abhorrent and untrustworthy?
What about the reverse, where someone's positions would lead to fairly desirable outcomes, but in person the guy is an utter asshole? Obviously not everyone's personality and views are misaligned like this, but it happens.
At the end of the day, if you're talking about someone you will never personally interact with, asking if someone is "a good person" or not isn't super relevant. If you determine that they are, that doesn't make any harm from their missteps go away, and if they're not, your condemnation doesn't do so either. What matters more is if the consequences of the actions they take are desirable, and if not, if you can do anything to mitigate them or influence their future behavior.
I’m not sure we understand each-other. I am saying that close enough to half of the population voted for Donald Trump. A lot of those people, probably most, are good people. Even if we don’t politically align. They are just under the spell of a would be authoritarian. Its very troublesome to have someone as problematic as Trump elevated to one of the highest positions of Power in our country.
I don’t know how to answer your where do i draw the line question. But I hope this helps improve the understanding in the conversation.
Half the population are NOT good people. They are selfish and racist imbeciles. Your "evangalists" are nationalistic racists being farmed by people that satan would reject, and who think that this path of racism, selfishness and evil they are following, will somehow get them to heaven during the rapture. As if God (if she exists) would want such evil and stupid creatures.
This is just stupid. Do you think in caricatures. I think one day and done for me here. Enjoy yalls echo-chamber Im glad y'all coming claws out so I know to stay the hell away
I'm saying that anyone supporting an obvious villain is, by definition, disqualified from the category of "good people."
This isn't some fantasy movie where the evil wizard has cast a magical spell upon the unsuspecting populous, and now they're under his control.
These people are, at the most generous interpretation, willingly allowing themselves to be taken in by a charlatan. Most of them are perfectly happy with everything he's doing, or at least willing to look the other way.
They all have the ability to start paying attention to what's going on and stop supporting him. They choose not to.
They're not good people. They're definitely not patriots. They're traitors.
Hmmm, i think thats a foolish thing to think when you’re talking about roughly 1/4-1/3 of ~330 million people. And when you consider the modern state of the political landscape and the way that social media has created these massive online echo chambers.
They have one of two choices neither of which has shown to do anything to advance the interests of your average working American. We live in the most propagandized country in the world that isn’t ruled by a dictator. And we live in a political system which has shown itself to align itself to the interests of Capital Markets, it should definitely be the other way around.
Everyone who supports Donald Trump is not a bad person, many of them are just like you know your neighbor. Trumps policies are terrible and I doubt that well make into the next election with a major net negative economic event due to his lack of understanding of global markets, but I have to remind myself constantly that people all have there own perspective. While you or I do see Trump as an obvious villian, many very intelligent people from doctors, lawyers, business executives to forklift certified laborersee him as strong and capable hero.
I remember meeting two guys from Mexico out and about one night at like a techno concert. They were both very proTrump. I was confounded. Honestly like he was already president he was wildly unpopular by the end of six months and those four years were a chaotic nightmare. Like why did these two dudes from Reynosa think he was what America needed? Ill necer understand, but they were smart guys and I felt like they might have been good people
I am just joining Lemmy but I may not be able to stay for long if the conversation consist of such one dimensional with us or against us rhetoric. This type of vitriol by the way is very off putting to people who are not yet aligned, also known as the people you need to win over if your political/philosophical movements are to gain strength and support.
I am a lefty a super lefty at this point, but I’ll never be a diluted to the point that Im ineffective. I promise you that. There are good people on both sides of the aisle. It is unfortunate that civics in this country has devolved to the point where we are so divided we don’t even see each-other as a united America anymore. But we really see each-other as enemies. Very bad for us, good for our true enemies.