What are you even talking about? The original commenter began trolling by on purpose stating some basic fact even these people whose will you support would say is not true. There is no constitution or state that calls itself Taiwan.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m talking about Taiwanese calling themselves an independent country. They are because the people living there consider themselves as such.

The government cannot come out and say it because they will be invaded if they break the status quo.

Hence we have to look at the will of the people to determine such things and that proves you wrong.

[+] TomHardy@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes I know what you mean, but see, there is ROC whose contitution currenlty says Taiwan is only a region, and the PRC, who says the same. This is what I adressed before. And besides, by the poll you mention, that even undermines it, as when the rest supports things stay the same, means the majority supports Taiwan is a part of ROC.

[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh okay so the RoC is an independent country and the PRC is just a rebellious region of the legitimate Chinese government then?

[–] TomHardy@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago

ROC is a loser of the Chinese civil war, a separatist state, currently full with American funded politicians that paratize on the Chinese territory. And there is no state or constitution that calls itself Taiwan. Therefore the original commenters statement is plain wrong. I don't even know why somebody can make a false statement, and when called out, everybody in response come with complex analytics besides the point. I don't even understand what you mean.

[+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

25% isn't the will of the people lol

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The 6.8% not wanting to be independent is the telling part.

Everyone else either wants to openly call themselves independent on carry on as they are in already being functionally independent.

tl;dr: No one wants to be part of China or not independent.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The vast majority of people want things to stay the same. Both independence and reintegration are very small minorities.

What that tells me is China has a lot of work to do to entice Taiwan. That's it.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

1/4 is not very small.

Furthermore keeping things the same is to be independent or do you think China currently controls what they do?

After the disaster of HK, Taiwan is never going to join China.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

1/4 is pretty small.

It's basically the same as the relationship between the US and Puerto Rico. Lots of autonomy, not independence.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, think of it this way.

What exactly is the relationship between the two?

Do taxpayers of one nation see their taxes spent in the other? No? That's because Taiwan is not China, and China does not own Taiwan.

No laws passed in China have effect in Taiwan, China has zero say in how the country is run, but everyone has to pretend that Taiwan is part of China or else Pooh Bear will throw a bitchy fit and invade.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The Chinese State is heavily invested in Taiwan, it's clearly not just an independent country.

China will only invade if the West keeps arming them, because China won't tolerate an arms buildup in Taiwan. That's a perfectly reasonable stance. Imagine China started shipping billions of dollars of weapons to Puerto Rico lol

Pooh Bear

Ah yes, calling a Chinese man a yellow animal. Definitely not racist.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Calling Pooh Bear the name that he earned from dissidents in his own country is not racist. The fact that he sends people to prison for it is insane. And the fact that you, as a tankie will deny reality is also insane.

And I wouldn't call the investment heavy at all. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3098200/taiwan-tightens-investment-mainland-china

[+] queermunist@lemmy.ml -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You are not a Chinese dissident. It's definitely been magnified in the West because Winnie the Poo is a fat yellow animal.

Also, your article is paywalled, but it sounds to me like investment was heavy and now its being cracked down on. Why do you think that is???

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Pooh Bear is a single man. It's not racism when your insult only applies to a single dictator. Tankies love to scream racism at calling Xi Pooh Bear, but are really just mad that we all make fun of their favorite dictator.

As to Chinese investment in Taiwan. Since you can't read the article, just know that Taiwan bans investment from any company connected to the Chinese government, and has tightened those rules to include international subsidiaries.

Other sources I've seen have put the grand total of allowed investments in Taiwan from China at less than $6 billion US. In other words, a rounding error to their GDP.

[–] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 years ago

damn this man trashed you at every turn

[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

The USA is heavily invested in China - does that make China a province of the USA? Does IMF investment in Africa/Asia mean that the West is morally justified in invading them whenever they decide to buy weapons off Russia?

[–] RustledTeapot@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It tells me that most people prefer an eternal cold war to escalating to a hot war. If China backed off and made it clear they would not attack, those numbers would change.