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Neoliberals Don't oppose fascists.
He will work with the fascist to come up with a compromise that the fascists can live with. That probably means sacrificing vulnerable groups and rallying around right wing talking points.
He is right wing. Gavin newsom is just right wing. the fact that there's a uneven deeper more belligerent right wing out there doesn't mean that he is somehow an alternative to it.
This attitude is how you ended up electing Trump.
Its bonkers that you guys are spiralling into a dystopian shitscape day by day and just cant bring yourself to acknowledge that any alternative has to be better.
The Democrats refusing to acknowledge the desires of the voters, and actively screwing over workers is how we ended up with Trump. The Democrats are "better", but only in the sense that they aren't going to fix the problems that led to fascism. They've shown over and over that they'd rather support fascism, then fight against it.
This is how I feel. I can’t stand neoliberals but some people on here are delusional for saying they won’t vote for Newsom if he is nominated.
It's not only about voting, but the complaining.
It seems like the problem in the US is getting people to give a fuck. By spreading this narrative that the democrats are just slower fascists or whatever your just encouraging progressive voters not to vote.
Well then maybe the Democrats should do somthing to counter that claim. Maybe something like not supporting fascism, and actually fighting against it when they have the chance.
I’ve been voting for those alternatives for a quarter century and it hasn’t stopped the dystopian hellscape from happening.
That's not really how voting works though.
An election is a poll or test or the collective will of citizens at a given point in time. Granted, in the US you have the electoral college fuckery overlaid on that but still ...
Voting Blue but complaining about them to your compatriots is not the way.
Protesting about Gaza outside Democrat conventions in an election cycle is not the way to secure better outcome for Palestinians.
As long as. I am forced to vote Democratic I will complain about it because it’s bullshit and our government is stupid by design.
So your plan is to encourage others not to vote?
Seems counter productive.
There aren’t enough people like me to make a difference either way.
Progressives and socialists and weirdos are woefully outnumbered in this country, as shown by literally every election in my life.
Even if every single one voted we’d still lose and things would continue to get worse.
That will probably be the case for at least another decade. The facts of the matter are that Boomers and Gen Xers are not very left leaning at all, but they show up to vote the most are thus hold the power in this country. Until the demographics themselves change and progressive Millennials and Gen Z voters make up a majority, I don’t expect giant changes any time soon.
The best bet we have to make an impact is by trying to change the voting system at the local level to us. If enough people do so, we can have more progressives like Mamdani in office. If the alternative system is popular enough, we can change the voting system itself at the state level like Maine and Alaska have done.
Also, continuing to educate the youth on why progressive policies matters is vital to the future. We need to keep people interested in bringing positive change, else the younger generations may end up disinterested in helping to elevate their peers.
Yes, yes, I’ve resigned myself to hating my government until I die.
It’s tough for sure since the cards have purposefully been stacked against us. I think there’s definitely room for optimism, since grassroots organizing is effective at bringing change.
Personally I would be happy if we can just get it so our states can go into debt to implement progressive policies such as Universal Basic Income, Universal Healthcare, and more public housing.
I think the state should be the one owning all of these apartments since why should property be a for profit enterprise?
I’ve heard all of this before. Nader. Dean. Bernie. TWICE.
I have given up hope.
I mean the country just hasn’t been that progressive until a little over a decade ago and a half ago tbh. Most of the other generations were not progressive, they were pro-business at most and fine with whatever the status quo was because they were profiting.
The Hippies for instance were a vocal minority of their time. Bernie was a huge inspiration for many and helped to energize the youth. Bernie helped to teach a lot of us what progressive politics was about and about what our country could be. Unfortunately, the majority of Boomers and Gen X are too conservative and voted at a much larger scale than the younger generations. I believe as new voters continue to enter the voting pool that we can educate them about progressive politics, but it’s not as possible to convince the older generations to change course.
Personally I’m trying to bring the country more left with everything I have. Even if I die and it is a fruitless endeavor to show people why it matters, I’m okay with that since I think the cause is just. I do think success can be found, even at the small levels. Changing a country is not possible for any one person, but I can help change my community for the better.
That is not true. Slower fascism isn't appreciably better than faster fascism. The you of four or eight years in the future doesn't have any less of a right to not live under fascism than the you of right now. If by choosing the "better" alternative you throw away your ability to actually stop fascism you're missing the forest for the trees.
It's disingenuous to characterise imperfect alternatives like Newsom as "slower fascism". That's a propaganda narrative.
In this case choosing the better alternative means preserving your ability to actually stop fascism.
Did you see the other headline today where your actual president mentioned avoiding elections by starting a war ?
It's this type of "Harris is imperfect therefore the same as Trump" attitude that brought you to this juncture.
Well you still didn't refute it, so you should do that if you disagree with my propaganda narrative.
And where, pray tell, is that stopping? How do you intend to do it? I mean do you remember the wins the far-right got under Biden in red states? You're clutching your pearls without offering a realistic plan to ultimately stop fascism. If your favorite neoliberal can't fix American society such that the fascists don't simply come back stronger four years later, you're just kicking the can down the road and should let the people with an actual plan get to work.
Yes, and who exactly managed to fumble their campaign so bad they lost to this well-known fascist?
And this is all before we even look at Newsom's actual policies. The way that guy treats homeless people is straight up fascism, full stop. If you can't take a stand on that, why the fuck should anyone else take a stand for you?
Oh please. You don't even have the concepts of a plan.