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[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think a big issue is that money and religion have deep ties in the US. Taking a hard stance against Israel at that point in time would cost votes in purple states; it was the right thing to do, but it would have lost votes. Given there are full on pacs that track each candidate on how much they openly support Israel I have no doubt they would have used money and influence to push them on it.

I think the issues with the economy were that it was still rocked by Covid and the after effects of it. Not having enough votes in the Senate meant nothing could get passed to help the people. Having the Supreme Court stacked by Republicans meant that even student loan forgiveness was shot down.

Really it’s more like a burger that covered in crap. If we want the burger remade to taste right then Democrats needed to win big in 2024. The opposite happened. Democrats lost House seats, Senate seats, and the Presidency. Any positive change now pretty much requires big wins now in 2026 and 2028 to be big wins for the Democratic Party.

For some perspective on how bad the losses for us were: if Democrats won a big trifecta in 2024, we could have uncapped the House, expanded the Supreme Court and set term limits, done away with the Filibuster to get important legislation passed, and even implemented legislation to tackle Gerrymandering across the nation. Just the uncapped House bit would have made it so elections are won by the Popular Vote.

[–] piefood@feddit.online 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Not having enough votes in the Senate meant nothing could get passed to help the people.

Yet there seemed enough votes to spend more money on foreign wars, and bailing out their rich friends. There also seemed to be enough political capital to take away the highly popular covid-benefits.

Having the Supreme Court stacked by Republicans meant that even student loan forgiveness was shot down.

That's why he took that route: So that he could look like the good guy, while not actually fixing the problem.

Really it’s more like a burger that covered in crap.

Only if you think there is nutritional value in the Dems. I sure don't see any.

For some perspective on how bad the losses for us were: if Democrats won a big trifecta in 2024, we could have uncapped the House, expanded the Supreme Court and set term limits, done away with the Filibuster to get important legislation passed, and even implemented legislation to tackle Gerrymandering across the nation. Just the uncapped House bit would have made it so elections are won by the Popular Vote.

Why would you expect any of that to happen? They've had the chance to fix these things in the past, and chose not to.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yet there seemed enough votes to spend more money on foreign wars, and bailing out their rich friends. There also seemed to be enough political capital to take away the highly popular covid-benefits.

You’re right, as there is always funding available when it comes to international conflicts that relate to US interests, especially when certain Congress members districts make money hand over fist from those deals.

2020 is a prime example of Republicans bailing out their rich friends since they demanded that there be zero oversight for the several trillions of dollars going out to stimulate businesses.

The public is the least likely to get any assistance if there is not a Democratic trifecta, since Republicans notoriously will not cross party lines if it means giving Democrats a “win”. Because Democrats did not have big enough majorities in 2021, they were unable to secure additional Covid aid for people. Namely, having Sinema and Manchin, who are both Independents, did not help as they both refused to join with Democrats on bringing more aid. Meaning it was 48 D - 52 R in the Senate. This gridlocked meaningful legislation from passing.

That's why he took that route: So that he could look like the good guy, while not actually fixing the problem.

They tried to pass regularly in the House and Senate, but they didn’t have the votes because Republicans voted against it and Independents like Manchin voted against it. That vote was 49 D - 50 R in the Senate.

So Biden was trying any way he could to get it passed. Biden actually did manage to get some student loan forgiveness passed, but not the mass amount that was hoped for because of the conservative Supreme Court.

Only if you think there is nutritional value in the Dems. I sure don't see any.

I see that there is some value because they are trying to vote in policies that would actually help people, but they lack the votes to actually pass these things. I don’t see that as a fault of the legislators so much as an issue of us previously having given land so much more power than people in this country. When small states like Wyoming have as many Senators as big states like New York or California we end up in these situations where your voice matters more based on where you live.

I do see the Democratic Party itself slowly becoming more progressive as well as with the new influx in voters generally being more progressive than their parents or grandparents. Establishment Democrats are trying to push back against the progressives, since they see it as a threat to their seats, but frankly many of those politicians deserve to lose their seats for being actual do nothings.

Why would you expect any of that to happen? They've had the chance to fix these things in the past, and chose not to.

Mostly because the circumstances have changed. There used to be more buddy, buddy-ness in Congress, it wasn’t so hyper-partisan or was not visible to the old guard Democrats in Congress. Any guise of playing by the rules disappeared when Republicans broke their own made up rule to let a Supreme Court justice be added to the bench during an election year.

They didn’t have the votes to change many of those things in the past, and up until more of the early-2010s Democrats were still doing Gerrymandering themselves at times.

[–] piefood@feddit.online 1 points 4 hours ago

You’re right, as there is always funding available when it comes to international conflicts that relate to US interests...

Agreed. That's why Biden spent his time helping out his military friends, and bombing the shit out of innocent people, instead of helping American voters.

2020 is a prime example of Republicans bailing out their rich friends since they demanded that there be zero oversight for the several trillions of dollars going out to stimulate businesses.

Agreed, and Biden's bailouts were another prime example of the Democrats helping their rich friends too.

Because Democrats did not have big enough majorities in 2021, they were unable to secure additional Covid aid for people...Namely, having Sinema and Manchin, who are both Independents, did not help as they both refused to join with Democrats....

Well, that was the excuse they used: happy roadkill comic

They should have tried negotiating, but couldn't be bothered to. They were busy helping out their friends. Biden also could have extended the covid relief, but chose not to.

So Biden was trying any way he could to get it passed.

Except for all the ways that would have actually worked. He could have just sent out the money, like he did with Israel. But he slow-rolled it, and sent it to the Supreme Court so they could shoot it down, and he could look like the good guy, without actually doing anything

I see that there is some value because they are trying to vote in policies that would actually help people, but they lack the votes to actually pass these things.

No, they had plenty of votes, but chose to pretend that they were powerless so that they didn't have to do anything. Once again, it was clear that they could get shit done when it came to bombing kids, and helping out their rich friends, but couldn't seem to muster up the energy when it came to the voters.

I do see the Democratic Party itself slowly becoming more progressive...

lolwut? The same party that campaigned with the Cheneys? that said they would keep bombing people oversees? That said they wanted more border controls, and are already backing down on support for LGBTQ+ people?

They didn’t have the votes to change many of those things in the past, and up until more of the early-2010s Democrats were still doing Gerrymandering themselves at times.

Yes they did. They just didn't care because it wasn't what their donors wanted.