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EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
Debatebro? That's what Hexbear does best.
I would actually love to engage in good faith discussions, but Hexbear users only operate in bad faith, particularly by sealioning. Like clockwork, you don't engage in ideas but rather give reading assignments.
I've read Das Kapital and agree with virtually all the premises about how society is unfair to those who actually generate the surplus value and think that we need to fix a system that breaks cyclically, as Karl Marx correctly predicted in volume I. The only solutions I've seen presented are a total revolution a la 1917, which occured before globalization. Anything close to this in the current globalized world will kill at minimum hundreds of millions globally due to interdependence on products that Marx would consider "needs", such as medications and medical equipment like dialysis machines.
The difference between you and me is that I'd rather work to reestablish democracy away from capital interests. I don't want a dictatorship, I want a functional democracy. Propaganda is often used to disillusion the working class from democracy, and if you don't vote in elections then you are clearly part of the problem.
Edit: Lmao. Citing"theory" gets crickets from the people who endlessly say "you just haven't read theory". It's like they don't know what to do with someone who reads to understand, rather than "reading" just to virtue signal.
Hahaha, literally "I know you are but what am I"
Lmao peak angry chud solipsism. "I would never read except to lord it over others, so that must be what these commies are doing."
This is a childish understanding of the theory you purport to have studied. What's your concrete proposal to "reestablish democracy away from capital interests" that has actually worked?
We do. It's called a dictatorship of the proletariat and it's actually worked.
Where has it worked?
Cuba, China, USSR all saw massive gains in just about every measurable metric post revolution because they adhere to the theory that says you have to work to actively suppress the worst urges of the ownership class, aka the people who destroyed the biosphere and possibly life on earth for short term gains. The liberal rely your probably already wanting to type is to whinge about how these systems still had their flaws, arent perfect utopias, are authoritarian (yes, against capital) etc, but at least they get results and aren't idealism, but actual application of a rigorous program.
Cuba is your best example, however, it is a socialist state and not communism.
China has three stock exchanges and is not communist:
The USSR never got to the "people's dictatorship", ya know, because the dictators never completed that step. Despite being a very powerful country at their peak, the USSR only exists as a memory of a failed state.
I'm too fucking bored of this already. It's the same uninformed spew from you guys every time. I'm not going to even address your uninformed points here, maybe someone else who gives a shit will, idc.
"The sky is green and I know you dumb neoliberal are going to try and tell me it's blue!"
How do you reconcile the fact that China has more stock exchanges than BurgerlandUSA?
Pretty hard to defend, so I expected you to claim bad faith and throw in the towel. Your Hexbear friends have better endurance and wit.
I'm not claiming bad faith this conversation is just boring for the same reason I don't shoot hoops with toddlers lmao.
Ok, give me a call when we are about to start the people's revolution. My mom gave me enough money to get snacks for everyone.
You're right a better world isn't possible. I bet you've also used the "kumbaya" quip and thought you were one of the clever boomers.
You can keep waiting for the revolution, I'll keep working on getting democratic socialists elected.
We can compare notes on who made a bigger difference in a few decades.
Western chauvanism is one hell of a mental block for you as if other places haven't already had revs or won't be more likely to have revs. I sincerely hope you are somehow able to vote really hard and somehow things get better AND youre able to permanently lock in the progressive gains, but to me you sound like a sucker who has never studied history bc that never happens.
What's your plan? Crickets
It's not "my plan" and this is why it's like taking to a wall with you folks. Crack a goddamn book?
Basically look into the largest socialist projects in history and the resulting gains in things like literacy and life expectancy. Look at what they did and tweak it to be adapted to current conditions.
I'm really done with you now enjoying the last of my long weekend and not wanting to waste the time.
How do you plan on implementing these strategies in 2023, in a country that has global hegemony and the ability to prevent a 1917? Crickets again