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An armed person entering your property at 3am..
Who has time to sort out why is reasonable.
You strike to kill to protect your family. Figure out the rest later.
It is unreasonable being out in that position and FAFO maxim applies.
They aren't even necessarily intending to kill. Shooting center mass in a panicked situation against a moving target has the highest likelihood of landing a hit due to center mass being the largest area. There also happens to be a ton of important organs there. You could try to aim for a leg or arm to be non lethal, but if you miss several shots the intruder could close the distance and harm/kill you.
You can kill someone during self defense and still have it not be intentful murder. Some people take 6 rounds to the chest and can walk away from the hospital, some die to 1 shot. An intruder can break their neck and die after falling during a physical struggle, is it fair to say the defender intended to murder them?
I agree with your analysis, point I was making above that the situation like that person defending themselves with int he residence has any and all mean available to them up to and including killing the perp until the perp retreats.
Concept that victim can clearly sort out degree of force necessary to stop the intruder is naive. which is what the commenter is shilling in this thread.
If the person retreats outside, yeah no shit you can't kill them for funsies... nobody argued that as he seems to think.
okay but this isn't one of your checkout line fantasies where you save the day, this is real life. you need a BIT more than that, such as actually being threatened with a weapon. catching a kid carrying nunchucks and a switchblade in your backyard is not an automatic license to kill. jesus fucking christ you just can't wait, can you. there are places you could enlist.
and hey, if you don't think it's fair that you have to sort out what is reasonable before LITERALLY FUCKING KILLING SOMEONE, then you won't mind taking the hit and going to prison for keeping your family safe.
You are too sheltered/naive to understand how real life situations unfold, clearly.