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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 85 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

I hate the mansplaining accusation, especially in this context

Fucking let ideas compete. Call him out for being pedantic. If you have to bring gender into nearly any conversation about science, you've already lost

Just shame them with better science

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 82 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The mansplaining thing in this context is more about an unfounded assumption of ignorance in the other party. Usually one would assume an astronaut to know basic thermodynamics, but the tweet's phrasing implies the other other person doesn't. It's less "you're wrong" and more "why do you think she doesn't know that."

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

A lot more people than that astronaut are going to see the post reply, though. A lot of them probably haven't taken a thermodynamics lesson.

Sorry, I didn't mean to mansplain that to you just now. Just wanted future readers to consider another angle.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A lot of them probably haven't taken a thermodynamics lesson.

Sure, but in that case the replier could've phrased their response as such. As it stands they're addressing the poster, not other people seeing the exchange.

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Sure, but in that case the replier could've phrased their response as such.

But like if we're being super duper real for a sec, who gives a shit? It's such a waste of energy and won't change anything to pick meaningless social media posts apart. He made a fair point, I choose not to interpret it beyond that.

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[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

In this case, though, he's literally wrong. "Spontaneous" has a precise scientific definition and the astronaut is using it correctly.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The term "mansplaining" is not just about a man being pedantic. It is a man being pedantic or overexplaining to a woman either about something she is likely more knowledgeable on than he is or about something that is such common knowledge it should be assumed that she knows these facts as well as he does. It is a demonstration of misogyny through the assumption that you, a man, knows better than her, a woman, despite all liklihood to the contrary and yet you condescend to her anyway. It's the arrogance and gender bias that is the problem, not the pedantry itself.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The thing I don't like about the mansplaining accusation is it makes lots of men out to be sexist/misogynistic when they are really just pedantic twits that very well could have commented the same stupid thing to a man. But because it was to a woman someone has to accuse them of being sexist too.

Don't get me wrong there are a lot of sexist assholes, but just assuming it to be the case off a single comment irks me.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

they are really just pedantic twits that very well could have commented the same stupid thing to a man.

Yes, but men experience this at a slightly lower rate.

So if an astronaut man were to get, say, 10 of these comments, while an astronaut woman gets 15 of these comments, it's fair to infer that about 5 out of the 15 comments wouldn't have been made to a man. Problem is that you can't exactly tell which 5 they are. But you know it's happening.

Of course, if the ratio is actually closer to 50 versus 10 comments like this, then you've got a pretty good sense that 80% of the pedantic overexplainers-to-an-expert are doing it because the original poster is a woman.

And one thing you find for these types of examples with a woman who has clear, unmistakable, objective indicators of expertise (literal astronaut) in the topic at hand is that the ratio is much higher for women than men, in a way that might not have been obvious for lesser credentials (like a high school science teacher). But yet, it still happens.

It's a name for a phenomenon that has existed for a long time. It's a concise way to describe that phenomenon, and I still think it's a good word to have in the vocabulary.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I do no think mansplaining is not a thing that happens, it absolutely is and is incredibly annoying and insulting.

I just don't like how people assume someone is misogynistic and mansplaining because of a single comment on the internet and get all accusatory.

It is more of a thing that you need to witness a person doing multiple times to women in order to definitely make an opinion of that person.

If it were a YouTuber that constantly does it in multiple videos then ya fair, throw that in the comments all you want.

In this case though it's jumping the gun a little bit.

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

(New person here)

The big issue is that we don’t see men being pedantic towards other men at nearly the same rate. Absolutely it happens, but there is definitely a problem with men not respecting women specifically.

Part of it, I think, comes from social conditioning and it’s more of a reaction than anything on purpose when it comes to a large subset of the people doing it. Even still, it’s important to gender it at least sometimes to highlight why we might be doing it and to give us the correct thing to reflect on. I’ve done it before where I could say it to a man but I realized that I what I was saying or doing was fueled, at least in part, by some internalized misogyny. Knowing that has helped me get to it before I do something stupid.

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[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the problem a lot of people here are having is that they're assuming the accusation is active sexism. Like it's a cognitive decision to go "phht, what would she know, she's a woman".

I suspect the vast majority of mansplaning scenarios are subconscious. They probably don't even know that's what they're doing abs would never see themselves as being sexist. I think that's because everyone sees the word "sexist" and associates it with clichéd extreme sexism, like cat calling, not wanting a Female pilot, ignoring their ideas in meetings etc.

The thing about subtle unconscious bias is that you're almost never aware you're doing it, but it still has similar effects on the affected group.

The healthy thing to do is to listen to the person it's affecting, analyse the scenario, and reflect on if it's something that you, or people you know, might have been doing without realising.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

Sure, but being an arrogant prick that thinks they're smarter than anyone else, regardless of gender, is already a thing that should be derided. Having only a single or few instances of this behavior being aimed at women as an example of his arrogance may mistakenly lead one to attribute that to misogyny instead of a general prickishness behavior, sure. But that's a perfectly understandable assumption to make in that situation and the mistake of calling them the wrong kind of asshole, I feel, is less of a concern than him, indeed, being an asshole.

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[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

through the assumption that you, a man, knows better than her

And what's the evidence that this happened here? You just assumed he was sexist.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

Funnily enough, assuming men are likely to be sexist is sexist

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[–] giantripdrop@piefed.social 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I just saw a person in a suit, then read the "mansplaining" comment, then went back and saw the posters name.

It feels so forced or I am just oblivious. I thought the response was an asshole being an "acktuallllllly" response.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you just mansplain mansplaining!?

When will men learn to stop trying to share information?!

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

You got me in the first part

I hope this is sarcasm though

[–] ftbd@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's not being pedantic, he's just obviously not familiar with the vocabulary used in chemistry (although he pretends to be).

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ken M has smooth skin

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

What happened to Ken M?

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