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Should I move this community? (lemmy.ml)
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I think I’m going to migrate this community to Lemmy.world or Lemmy.zip. I love PieFed, but I’d rather wait until things are a little more stable before I consider PieFed.social.

I think world and zip are both fantastic options. Lemm.ee leaves me a little worried that any instance can shut down at any point. I’d prefer to pick whatever instance is least likely to shut down. I do think Lemmy.ml is pretty safe from shutdown, since it’s run by Lemmy maintainers, but I’m worried I’m reducing my audience since many people block ml.

Any thoughts?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I didn't say Lemmy.zip, because I wasn't talking about Lemmy.zip. I specifically mentioned Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works as those are 2 of the more right-wing instances, and you featured examples from them specifically, alongside piefed which has similar issues due to the devs baking in their ideology into instance defaults.

Again, it seems like you're just ideologically motivated to push an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda without outright saying it.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

alongside piefed which has similar issues due to the devs baking in their ideology into instance defaults.

That has been debunked several times, not sure why you are pushing an anti-Piefed agenda

You are in the first thread, I'm surprised I even have to point it out to you

Additional comment from the Piefed dev

PieFed dev here.
The screenshotted post is very misleading. As you’d expect from a hexbearian. It is not a baked-in ban.
Hexbear is mentioned in the PieFed source code, as an initial default value for the defederation list. That list is quite long and includes various instances that have been a source of trolls, CSAM and spam in the past (mostly Mastodon instances). As part of the normal setup process it is assumed that instance admins will review that list and alter it as they see fit. They can change it any time by going to instance.tld/admin/federation.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It wasn't debunked, I literally stated it's an instance default to block leftist instances like Hexbear, equating them to spam and CSAM even. I never said you can't change it if you made a Piefed instance, I said it was an instance default.

Yes, I do oppose people that make it a default to block leftist instances and place them alongside spam and CSAM. If someone didn't know what those instances were, they'd be likely to keep them blocked. It's directly putting the Piefed dev's anti-leftism into the code.

I fully admit to being opposed to people opposing leftists, I'm just not quite sure why you seem to be so cagey about having an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda. You can just say you do, or explain why you don't actually, and I'm just misunderstanding you. Keeping it this cagey just makes you seem extremely suspicious and dishonest.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml

Not sure why you keep telling I'm anti Lemmy.ml when I explicitly recommend instances that federate with it.

If someone didn’t know what those instances were, they’d be likely to keep them blocked.

Example of two Piefed instances that currently federate hexbear:

List of Piefed instances that currently defederate hexbear:

https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list

As you can see, instances defederating hexbear are instances managed by teams which were going to do so anyway, as they already did on Lemmy. Pretending an instance admin isn't going to review the blocklist after setting up the instance is 'extremely suspicious and dishonest'

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This entire comment chain has been you pushing that many people on Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and Piefed block Lemmy.ml Every time someone makes a post about "Lemmy.ml drama," you're in the comments trying to push usually Lemmy.zip or some other instance. It isn't difficult to tell that there's personal motivation behind this.

Secondly, I know that the current instance block list is roughly the same across Piefed "versions" of Lemmy instances. That doesn't change that the devs put Hexbear and Lemmygrad alongside CSAM and spam instances. The dev of Piefed even said the blocklist is long, if someone isn't familiar with the fediverse and wants to spin up a new Piefed instance, chances are higher that they will rely on the defaults.

Again, it's clear that you and I are both ideologically motivated, why is it difficult for you to state it openly? I'm not the first user to feel put off by your behavior on this matter, and I'm not going to be the last either.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This entire comment chain has been you pushing that many people on Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and Piefed block Lemmy.ml

Well, you started saying a lot of people don't block Lemmy.ml, which isn't correct based on what we can see.

You didn't answer my previous point: I'm literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml

Not sure why you keep telling I'm anti Lemmy.ml when I explicitly recommend instances that federate with it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You used mostly Piefed.social, Lemmy.world, and sh.itjust.works comments to make the claim that "many people block Lemmy.ml," ie you required them to make your argument. Recommending .zip isn't the point. Further, you grabbed a handful of comments, that's hardly a comprehensive study on the rate of blocking Lemmy.ml. It's shaky evidence at best.

Secondly, as I stated, the reasons you are anti-Lemmy.ml are three-fold:

  1. You always appear in Lemmy.ml drama threads pushing alternatives

  2. You try to build a case that Lemmy.ml is widely blocked with little evidence

  3. You defend putting Hexbear and Lemmygrad as default blocks that instance admins have to manually unblock, same as CSAM and spam

Again, why not just admit that you have personal reasons to want to do this? It's clear. I'm not going to reply anymore, this is a waste of both of our time.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  • lemmy.ml and lemmygrad and hexbear are not the same, not sure why you are trying to put them in the same space.
  • alternatives are 'fediverse structure', trying to keep all the communities on lemmy.ml goes 'against its structure'

Maybe the third time will be the charm, you didn’t answer my previous point: I’m literally proposing Lemmy.zip over Lemmy.world as it federates with lemmy.ml

Such an anti-lemmy.ml stance, pushing for an instance that federates with lemmy.ml