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are we just ignoring the glaring fact that these are rolling internet connected computers with cameras and who the heck knows how many other sensors, inside and outside?
I wouldn't want such a "car" from a European company even. but I guess ignorance is bliss, and we have nothing to hide.
Unless it has escaped your attention, USA is not an ally of EU anymore except on paper. USA vs China is about the same to us now.
Traditionally EU has allowed USA a lot of leeway to spy on us through their technologies, under the assumption that USA was an ally, but it's actually USA we are trying to prevent from continuing that spying we know for sure they do.
We do not have evidence of similar Chinese spying.
So there you go, it's OK you don't want either Chinese or European cars as an American, but to be honest, the American cars have already been documented to spy on Americans, passing data on to American authorities, which for instance resulted in the destruction of a Waymo car at a demonstration.
So for Americans everything OTHER than an American car might actually be preferable in that regard!!!
So as I see it, you are the one who is naive and ignorant.
They may all spy, but the only ones we know do it for sure are the Americans, and then the question is who is the biggest threat, and right now that too is the US government, that shows a complete disregard for both law, human rights and humanitarian issues and allies and agreements and democracy.
it has not escaped my attention, both are equally bad.
and now they'll keep allowing it for the chinese out of fear that it would significantly worsen chinese relations.
how, don't those have a cellular connection too?
in this article the byd boss doubles down on this by saying they use google cloud services to store and process the information.. now, do you think that somehow that protect us from the usa?
then its another thing what type of data they collect. facebook does most of its business in a GDPR compliant way, and that means nothing as users just sign away their consent for all kinds of data to be collected, otherwise they can't use the service.
Unfortunately, the mozilla privacy not included team did not review byd, but maybe you are not surprised that I doubt they are better than any of the European brands.
I'm not an american. I live in the EU, and I think this is the least bad place when looking at digital rights.
that however does not make me trust volkswagen, renault, or whoever other EU car companies either for nearly the same reasons as chinese car companies.
we could say I'm allergic to any car that can be remote controlled and interrogated over a network.
for instance, this is how renaults fare: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/renault/
how do they even get access about any of these two?? if we are fortunate, only by a question on the registration form or shortly after registration.
and then remember what they said about data sharing with partners: “[a]ny associated or connected motor manufacturer from whom we purchase or hire goods (and their group companies)” and "partners."
their conclusion? that it's standard levels. and that even in the EU, they are among the better ones! but that does not make it acceptable.
and you could say that "but you can just remove the entertainment system's fuse!", and that would be right. kind of.
until the car gets to the service, where even the diagnostic tool that uses always online DRM will be able to transfer whatever information it just wants, or if I sell the car, the next owner replaces the fuse and all the recorded information gets uploaded.
with byd, it also does not happen to help in ignoring chinese spying that my government leans to china (besides russia), they are installating face recognition capable chinese camera systems against EU law, and installing huawei network equipment for important infrastructure left and right.
Why then do you call Europe "they" instead of we? "and now they’ll keep allowing it for the chinese"
If you think car cameras are used for surveillance, it's not just electric cars, but is in ALL new cars from all countries.
So what was the point really of you previous comment????
Because in my mind it's not a social decision but a political decision, and politicians are "they".
I did not intend to limit my criticism to electric cars.
That is all new cars, regardless of propulsion method or manufacturer. Your data will be sold, traded, aggregated, deanonymized and sold again as long as world goverments don't put a stop to the current surveillance economy.