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I believe the fight is over who gets to control how the question is worded, because the question can only be asked once in a referendum.
If it's the UCP or one of their crony entities that get to control it, they will attempt to have the question be like: "Do you believe in Alberta being a separate country and if not do you not believe in Alberta as a Province in the country of Canada?" Yes or No. Which will lead to everyone scratching their heads, because both are basically saying the same thing. Much like their policy surveys, where no matter what you answer, it leads to a predetermined conclusion. It's basically the hallmark of the traitorous and christofacist UCP at this point. They hate us, and simply want to legitimize their prosecution of us and have total control over our resources, which are significant. It'll also quickly fall under American control.
If this Canada first group controls the question, it'll be something like: "Do you think Alberta should separate from Canada," and I mean that's a predetermined conclusion too, because it's believed that less than 20% of citizens actually want to leave. And even if they didn't want to stay, at least it's an honest question that won't be tricking people.
So I mean act according to your wishes. We only get one shot at defending this though.
The question from the petition that the Alberta Prosperity Project is proposing is "Do you agree that the Province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?" which is currently being held up in the courts, while the Forever Canadian's currently ongoing petition is "Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?"
There is currently no ongoing petition where signing it indicates a desire for Alberta to leave Canada.
Exactly that though: Do you agree that the Province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?. If you answer yes to that, obviously we should cease to be a province and become a sovereign country. If you answer no to that, you will not be agreeing that the province of Canada shall become a sovereign country, and ceasing to be a province in Canada.
Sounds pretty straight forward, right? I'm sure something like 80% of the vote will be no. Except then they'll try and mount a legal challenge to twist that around on us. Because you've answered no to the sovereign country part, but the second part where ceasing to be a province in Canada is a bit more ubiquitous. You could be saying no I do not want to be a sovereign country, but you are not clearly stating yes or no to being a province in Canada. It's implied, sure (with the and), but implied in such a question opens this up to court challenges (and I'm sure a bunch of foreign interference). You could be saying no I do not agree that the province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and I think it should cease to be a province in Canada. Or in other words, hello USA! That'll be the argument. Yes its ridiculous, but it could be a valid fear.
Whereas, Do you agree that Alberta Should remain in Canada? Well that's a yay or a nay.
But both are asking to sign a petition to call for a referendum on separation, and fighting for how the question is asked right? So if either were to get enough signatures, the fundamental result is the same, there's a referendum.
Signing the stay petition is still a signature that goes toward calling a referendum, correct?
No, this is not correct. Yhe question is exactly what it says and nothing more.
https://www.alberta.ca/system/files/custom_downloaded_images/jsg-citizen-initiative-act-fact-sheet.pdf
It can, but maybe not. Unless I'm reading it wrong, a referendum vote isn't actually needed.
Though if I am reading it right, it seems like a "heads I win, tails you lose" sort of scenario.
If the "leave" petition passes, it seems like they could just state "Yep that's what Alberta wants now, no vote needed."
I doubt that a "stay" petition would get such a benefit of the doubt.
Is that how it works? I'm under the impression any petition at this point is solely to get it put on the ballot. If no one signs, it doesn't go on the ballot, and there's no separation vote on the referendum ballot.
I'm not an expert here, so if I'm wrong on this and if someone is actually an expert, hopefully they could weigh in to correct my interpretation.
But my understanding of it is this:
I think it would be pretty much directly stated that if you got something like 70 or 80% of Albertans to sign onto this petition, like at that point the chief electoral officer could reliably question do we even need to have a referendum then? If the signatories were vetted and it could be proven they represented a huge percentage of the electorate, it states the obvious.
That will never realistically happen though. But what could (and will) happen is basically this turns into a challenge over who gets to raise the need of a referendum and the framing of the question. It was originally going to that sovereignty group, but now this Canada First group has mounted a court challenge to hopefully basically overcome them, and be the ones to control the framing of the question.
So it sounds like this passing doesn't necessarily lead to a referendum. Which, again, leads to the "heads I win tails you lose" scenario.
But if we don't sign either way it's worded then we don't have to defend anything.
It seems to me that this is an effort to create a "Brexit" scenario. Enough people sign the stay petition thus putting separation up for referendum. When the time comes people say "it obviously won't pass, I won't bother voting".
You don't have to sign anything. But sign or not sign, this is almost for sure going to referendum. It's creating a brexit-like scenario regardless of what happens here.
I'm also pretty sure turnout on this one will be pretty high. If it's not, well this province and their citizens deserves to be the new Puerto Rico. A territory that will just get raided without any say or any economic reward (except for the traitors who swung the door open).
The two questions have already been defined. They are not going to change if they get enough signatures and it comes to a vote.