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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not sure what you mean.

Many people used to say black people in south Africa would avenge all the year of oppression if apartheid end.

It is really antisemitic to say that the both sematic people will never like each other . There is already 2 millions Palestinians in Israel you don't see them trying to kill Jewish Israelis in Israel.

The reason it's different in Gaza and the west bank is that they been occupied since 67 and the reason many normal Israeli civilians say the opposite is because of the rocket. So if you remove the source of the problem the occupation and with a real truth and reconciliation process the hate will slowly vanish

South Africans of all race have a shared culture and history

Not really the Afrikaners and black south African has very different culture . Hell ,even without the black south African the different ethnic groups has different culture. Israel and white south Africans are the oppressor. Palestinians and the black south Africans was the oppressed so yes it is valid to compare both situation. Old oppressors and old oppressed can reconcile

Then you probably haven't heard of exclaves and enclaves before

Just explain how the state will be done instead of generic BS

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There is already 2 millions Palestinians in Israel you don't see them trying to kill Jewish Israelis in Israel.

Arabs in Israel don't necessarily identify as Palestinians. You are conflating ethnicity with nationality.

It is really antisemitic to say that the both sematic people will never like each other .

Isn't it kinda racist to presume that just because people share racial and ethnic similarities that they should get along? Do you ask black people if they know such and such? You have dare to claim it is antisemitic to say that there should not be any reason for Semites not to get along. By that logic, an Arab superstate should have been set up by now despite previous attempts. Did you ask Saudis, Iraqis and Kuwaitis if they want to form a nation together despite being Arabs?

That being said, did you even look at surveys? Most Palestinians and Israelis want their own country, but with the intent to push the other one out from the land they claim.

Not really the Afrikaners and black south African has very different culture . Hell ,even without the black south African the different ethnic groups has different culture.

The history and context of South Africa and Israel/Palestine are not even comparable. White Afrikaners and black South Africans have shared land with each other and have more or less either left each other alone, or gotten along before the British came. Their ties deepened further during the British colonisation; because they developed mutual disdain of British rule. Meanwhile, Jews already living in Palestine were in the minority until European Jews came en masse causing tension and drastic demographic change, especially that the new arrivals feel little connection with Palestinians.

Old oppressors and old oppressed can reconcile

Yes, but tell that to Palestinians and Israelis. Let me know what they think.

Then you probably haven't heard of exclaves and enclaves before

Just explain how the state will be done instead of generic BS

Don't ask me how. Ask Netherlands, Belgium, Oman, the United States, Russia, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Spain etc. if they haven't been functioning at all with some parts of their territory not connected to their core territories. Though i must admit, some exclaves and enclaves are points of contention between India and Pakistan, and Armenia and Azerbaijan, and among Central Asian countries, but not to the severe extent as we see with Israel and Palestine.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I am done with your stupid antisemitic view and your occupation and genocide apologia. Palestinians do not want to destroy Israel, they want to be finally free of 57 years of occupation and 77 years.

You claim that most Israeli Palestinians do not identify as Palestinian is false and I am not interested in your stupid theories.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is there something wrong with you? As suspected, you are just a troll.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You are the troll. It's you who is wrong in your head keeping saying that palestinians and israelis are all bloodthirsty people who would never stop killing each other. That's the most antisemetic thing i ever heard

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is something wrong with you for making up fantasies despite surveys.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Keep projecting. You claim to be for a two state solution then keep talking about the BS that Palestinians want to destroy Israel. Stop blaming the victims palestinians was oppressed for 77 years and just want freedom nothing else

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did you look at the surveys? Did you ask Palestinians and Israelis themselves what they think? Or will you keep protecting some kind of fantasy?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When you remove the source of the issue occupation hate will slowly vanish. But you antisemite think they could never ever have peace . You think Palestinians and Israelis are bloodthirsty by nature . Otherwise you would believe that with a real Truth and Reconciliation process peace will happen. You an idiot if you think Palestinians want to be occupied forever and once they gain freedom they would attack israel again

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Did you look at the surveys? Did you ask the Israelis and Palestinians?