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    [–] fedditter@feddit.org 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

    ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ ᴵˢ ᵒᴺˡʸ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴴᵃᶜᴷᵉᴿˢ ᵒᴿ ⁿᵉᴿᴰˢ. ʸᵒᵘ ᴺᴱᵉᵈ ᵗʰᵉ ᵀᵉʳᵐᴵᴺᴬˡ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴱⱽᴱᴿʸᵗᴴⁱⁿᵍ. ᴸⁱᴺᵘˣ ᴴᵃˢ ᴺᵒ ᴬᵘᴰᴵᵒ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼᴿᵀ / ᵃᵘᵈᴵᴼ ⁱˢ ᵇʳᵒᴷᵉᴺ. ʸᴼᵁ ᶜᴬᴺ'ᵗ ᴾᴸᵃʸ ᵍᴬᴹᴱˢ ᴼᴺ ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ. ᴸᴵᴺᵁˣ ᴰᴼᵉˢᴺ’ᵀ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼʳᵀ ᴴᵃᴿᴰʷᵃʳᵉ. ʸᴼᵁ ᴴᵃⱽᴱ ᵗᴼ ᶜᴼᴹᵖᴵᴸᴱ ᴱᵛᵉᴿʸᵗᴴᴵᴺᴳ ᶠᴿᵒᴹ ˢᵒᵘʳᶜᵉ.

    Its not funny. Why does this shit keep popping up on linuxmemes. Its not true (anymore). Just use Beginner Friendly Distros and you will never face any of this shit.. So stop being afraid of a fucking terminal you dork.

    Edit: if you complain about your software or hardware not working shutdown your devices and go take a walk in nature and reflect about the fact that you are too stupid to write your own working code for software or build your own chips from a pile of sand or even realize why you even have to use computers as a human being in this short blib of a lifetime in this incomprehensible thing we call universe and instead have to rely upon contributed work of others. But I guess you are unable since your feelings are getting manipulated by a fucking comment on a lemmy community post which makes you angry and nOw I NeEd To ClAriFy StUfF AbOuT LiNux aNd hOw ShIt It ActUaLly StiLl is aNd HaVe To TeLL EvErYoNe oN ThE InTerNeT viA a LemMY CoMmEnT ;((((. Lol you dorks.

    Edit2: Yes Linux works like shit at times. Its a frustrating mess sometimes. BuT AtLeAsT mY wOrD DoCuMenTs aRe NoT UpLoAdEd to ThE ClOuD.

    Edit3: /s

    Edit4: ~~/s~~

    [–] Xylight@feddit.online 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I will make sure to post truly funny and intellectual content next time like "windows bad haha"

    [–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    it's a funny reference to more broken times

    i sometimes struggled with alsa and pulseaudio, especially in more niche or diy distros, and at the time it was frustrating as hell, but looking back it's a nostalgic memory.

    [–] fedditter@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

    🇺🇸🧑‍✈️: 😐... 😮 👉🙂
    "I understood that reference."

    [–] piefood@feddit.online 27 points 1 week ago

    Because it's unfortunately still true. I have a video-card that I can't upgrade because it nvidia drivers keep breaking my display. I've had to swap distros because some don't work well with my audio-card, or my wifi-card. I was able to get them working eventually, but pretending that it wasn't a pain in the ass would be a lie.

    This attitude of "everything works fine, and if it doesn't that means you are doing it wrong" is why people don't like trying Linux. We have to be realistic about the experience. It's massively better than it used to be, but pretending its flawless is just dishonest.

    [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

    I ran into an issue last night with HDMI failing to be assigned as the audio output. a reboot fixed it but idk what the problem really is it how to prevent it.

    been full time on Debian 15 years, and full time on Linux 21 years.

    [–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

    geez you sound insufferable, i wonder why so many people have negative opinions of the linux community…

    also damn I don’t envy anyone who has to use a screen reader to read your first paragraph

    [–] ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    That's not true.

    I've also had a lot of success on most hardware, but the worst device I ever touched was a 2016 Macbook (one of the last with normal ports) and that thing was a total mess.

    Arch: Video, no sound. Debian: Sound, no video. Ubuntu: Everything works, reboot, nothing works.

    Probably heavily related to hardware, but still, very inconsistent. I was never able to find the actual issue after weeks.

    The final somewhat working configuration was Debian+Liquorix for the video firmware.

    So no, it's not guaranteed.

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

    What do you expect from a Mac, a company whose entire ethos is proprietarism?

    [–] fedditter@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Nice catch! 👏 Using one of the most proprietary devices out there in the market as an example.

    [–] ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Well, that may be the case, but you made the claim that using a beginner-friendly distro solves all problems and I gave an anecdotal example of that not being the case. Macbooks have a substantial markt share, like it or not, and are subject to planned hardware obsolescense, so people will try to install Linux at some point.

    Besides of all, this was not purely a hardware issue. Else, no configuration would have worked out. There were differences in the default configs of the distributions that caused this erratic behavior and it was not just a pulseaudio/pipewire thing.

    [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    If you're using supported hardware, sure.

    My wifi keeps freaking out, my 2.5G nic simply doesn't work, my Bluetooth acts up constantly, the razor kernel module made my whole setup unstable and I just wanted to change the stupid RGB lights, HDMI support is unpredictable, Nvidia drivers are a shitshow.

    I still don't miss Windows, but Windows 11 is stable on the same hardware.

    [–] fedditter@feddit.org -5 points 1 week ago

    Good one. (I bluntly assumed you are joking cause otherwise 💅)

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Memes are not necessarily meant to be funny. They're meant to represent a common experience within a group. The horrid failure rate of PulseAudio just a couple years ago fits that definition perfectly, and in fact it's why I gave up on Ubuntu 14.04 in 2015.

    [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

    Part of some people's chagrin with internet memes culture is presenting outdated and harmful ideas as popular or current. Further spreading misinformation and hurtful beliefs.

    [–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    2015

    a couple years ago

    My friend, time has escaped you.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I wish my one bad experience in 2015 had been the absolute last time Pulse failed for anyone ever. Alas, time doesn't work that way, and Pulse remained failure-prone for years after my encounter with it.

    [–] fedditter@feddit.org -1 points 1 week ago

    Nice. Referencing an experience of the year 2014. Great Catch!

    [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ ᴵˢ ᵒᴺˡʸ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴴᵃᶜᴷᵉᴿˢ ᵒᴿ ⁿᵉᴿᴰˢ. ʸᵒᵘ ᴺᴱᵉᵈ ᵗʰᵉ ᵀᵉʳᵐᴵᴺᴬˡ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴱⱽᴱᴿʸᵗᴴⁱⁿᵍ. ᴸⁱᴺᵘˣ ᴴᵃˢ ᴺᵒ ᴬᵘᴰᴵᵒ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼᴿᵀ / ᵃᵘᵈᴵᴼ ⁱˢ ᵇʳᵒᴷᵉᴺ. ʸᴼᵁ ᶜᴬᴺ'ᵗ ᴾᴸᵃʸ ᵍᴬᴹᴱˢ ᴼᴺ ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ. ᴸᴵᴺᵁˣ ᴰᴼᵉˢᴺ’ᵀ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼʳᵀ ᴴᵃᴿᴰʷᵃʳᵉ. ʸᴼᵁ ᴴᵃⱽᴱ ᵗᴼ ᶜᴼᴹᵖᴵᴸᴱ ᴱᵛᵉᴿʸᵗᴴᴵᴺᴳ ᶠᴿᵒᴹ ˢᵒᵘʳᶜᵉ.

    Edit: if you complain about your software or hardware not working shutdown your devices and go take a walk in nature and reflect about the fact that you are too stupid to write your own working code for software or build your own chips from a pile of sand

    You lasted exactly one paragraph before contradicting yourself.

    Please, shut down your device and just take a walk dude

    [–] DoctorPress@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

    It will stay true as most computers are optimized to windoze-only. Just some of us are lucky because our computer wasn't optimized to it.

    [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    Beginner distros are even worse, once you're past the absolute beginner phase and start to notice what I call "the fuck you features" you start to hate linux as much as windows, for example, sound always starts with a fade in so notification sounds get muted, that's because there's an energy savings option active by default, you'll find dozens of forum posts telling you how to fix it except, fuck you, none of them work anymore because that configuration file is not there anymore and you must create it and figure out what to write in it.

    Another example, celluloid opens subtitles by default, you don't want that? Fuck you, create a configuration file somewhere and good luck finding out what to write in it. You end up installing vlc.

    Things like these has been my experience with linux for the last 15 years.

    [–] fedditter@feddit.org -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Lol are you guys bots by apple, microsoft and co? You are so hateful regarding linux. I guess i just have to accept the dead internet theory. Just bots manipulating the masses so big tech companys can still sell their monopolic shit cuz LiNuX StilL sO bAd :(((((

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Very mature. If you're going to act like a toddler, I'll put you in the timeout box.

    For the record, your reply to my comment had no bearing on my decision, and I'll preserve the entire comment chain in case I find myself on YPTB.

    [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

    Are you one of those fanboys incapable to see anything wrong in the things they like?

    I've been using Linux as a daily driver for the last twenty years. Linux has plenty of issues that no one bothers to fix because there's been some workaround since day one. The philosophy seems to be still they are nerds, they'll figure it out.

    [–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

    Unfortunately it is still true to some extent. i do have audio issue (crackling music, no sound, wrong audio preset on my headphones and i cant change it to the right one) all of them are fixed by restarting my PC

    [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I updated my laptop from Mint 21.3? to 22 and lost all sound. It's when Mint switched from I think Pulse to Pipewire. The update left behind a random config file that stopped my sound device from being set up, and the only place I could find a fix was on an obscure forum post.

    Hibernation and hybrid sleep are both supported by my laptop, and can be set up to work on Mint with a lot of configuration through the terminal. When I reboot though, they stop working again. The related options disappear from the power settings, but work from the terminal.

    Pretending that Linux doesn't have issues is an outright lie at this point

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Pretending that Linux doesn't have issues is an outright lie at this point

    And I'm sure your comparison is done using a Linux-native device, not an originally Windows-specific device you installed Linux on? With power management specifically there's nothing Linux distros can do to work nicely everywhere, it's an awful clusterfuck.

    The only way to fairly attribute flaws to Linux is to compare a device that waa designed and built for both. Otherwise I could blame, idk, Android for running like shit on my Wii U.

    [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    It's a 9 year old laptop that's had problems due to software configuration issues. This isn't cutting edge hardware that's not supported, it's an update that didn't clean up after itself, and a working power setting where the software doesn't show the available and working options. If I run the hibernate or hybrid sleep commands from the terminal, they work, but the options don't persist in either the start menu or the power settings gui. That's nothing to do with it being a Windows device originally.

    I like using Linux, and I'm happy using the terminal - I started with DOS, many, many years ago, and the terminal brings back happy memories. Pretending that Linux doesn't have any problems though is ridiculous.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Fair enough, that indeed sounds like a regression (assuming your old device got officially supported hardware) and a lack of GUI settings. I 100% concur this sucks, both.

    I'm still very critical when someone complains that "Linux" doesn't work properly on a laptop. Most of the time it's not the fault of any FOSS project, but device manufacturers doing wonky shit that requires device-specific workarounds or license nonsense making support hard to impossible. Especially power management is an issue with newer laptops (which of course doesn't apply to you) sometimes not even properly supporting e.g. S3 standby because they expect very weird Windows-behaviour (not even standard S0 but some wonky other stuff). I see way, WAY too many "Windows vs. Linux" comparisons on Windows machines that then conclude Linux "not being ready yet" (sometimes even blaming the devs). Meanwhile FOSS developers are being utterly exploited.

    Sorry for lashing out a little bit.

    [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

    Sorry for lashing out a little bit.

    No worries, it's good to know that some people are still passionate :)

    Yeah, I get what you mean though. Some people assume that Linux should be able to do everything that Windows or Mac can do, and assume that if it can't it must be the developer's fault. You still see the same old bullshit about 'Linux won't run Photoshop / my proprietary software!' without stopping to think that maybe it's the developer of that software who's at fault.

    It's been going on for years, and is still infuriating...

    [–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    Blah blah blah. The world isn't fair. You don't get to hand wave away MAJOR issues because they are hard.

    "Oh it'll be ready to switch, just research buy loads of specific equipment next time you buy a computer. I'm SURE you'll find a nice Dell that'll be exactly what you need and not a compromise 🙄"

    Btw, since it's so easy, what high quality 75 in TV comparable with an lgc2 is guaranteed to work with HDR, vrr, and or even just being detected after a power state change. Should I just buy another $2000 TV to enjoy Linux?

    [–] fedditter@feddit.org -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] fedditter@feddit.org -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Fucking make a reinstall every once in a while. Migration hell is still true. So my comment is heavily biased cause migration is for noobs.

    [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

    Do you want to call a few friends to help you move those goalposts?

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

    It was true at the time the song was recorded though.