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@emergencyfood
The term "shaheed" translated to martyr is used in different ways.
First reference is for fighters who die in a holy war.
The second is used for those innocent who didn't fight, but were murdered unjustifiably.
It's a cultural thing that people unfamiliar with Arab/muslim traditions don't understand.
I don't use the term, as I'm not religious, but when I post from Palestinian sources, I share what they wrote.
It is even wider than that
It can refer to who die from plague, stomach disease, drowning, being crushed by a falling wall or structure, and those who die in battle
@mrdown
what on earth are you talking about?
don't you know posting while high is just makes you look stupid (or uncover it)
You taked about the word marthyr and i gave you the wider arab definition. So maybe learn to read before accusing other to be stupid when you are the stupid one. Don't forget to ask your parent to learn some manners
@mrdown In what "arab" country do the say what you wrote?
Can you share it in Arabic or what ever language you found it?
All of them
https://studioarabiya.com/types-of-martyrs-in-islam
@mrdown I stay corrected, there are bigger and more sophisticated garbage on the sunni muslim/wahhabi (KSA backed) lunacy interpretation of Islam out there
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/124782/who-can-be-called-shaheed-definition-of-shaheed/
If you don't like Sunni Islam . No problem , you can find Shia sources that also have wider definition then your limited definition
https://www.hadithlib.com/rolls/view/2300069/%D9%85%D8%A4%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%87%D8%B1-%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%B4%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA
@mrdown that is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read in my life.
who is behind that shit site? I have studies Islam in 3 decades and never seen such garbage before
If you wrongly studied Islam that's your problem , I am a practicing Arab Muslim and not a Wahabi .
Words involve. The original meaning of shahid is to be witness. Islam came and the word had expanded the word meaning. The different type of shahid comes from verified Hadiths
So please have some manners and respect and stop defending your ignorance and stop attacking me when we both care about Palestinians and support their freedom
@mrdown
dude hadiths are BS stories made up by some con artists during Omar who would make up shit together with 2 "witnesses" to get money from Khalifa.
this is the rotten base of the lunacy of sunnni muslims blind believe in all the garbage that was shoved into Islam during Omar rule.
my support of Palestinians has nothing to do with Islam or it's disgusting history.
You don't know a goddamn thing you piece of trash
If you don't like Sunni no problem . Shia do not reject hadith completely either
https://www.hadithlib.com/rolls/view/2300069/%D9%85%D8%A4%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%87%D8%B1-%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%B4%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA
It's not even just an arab/Muslim thing, the dual usage thing of the term martyr is also a Christian thing, at least in a few parts of it
No, its used differently in a muslim context. Source: grew up christian in Turkey.
The Catholic Church uses "martyr" to define "innocent who didn’t fight, but were murdered unjustifiably". For sure some nuance is missing, but it's full of martyrs saints that just got killed because they were Christians.
I have never seen the term used in europe in the same way as in west asia. That's all I'm saying.
Depends on the area, it can also be used to describe someone who fought (defensively is mainly the modifier is saw used, but not always) for a righteous cause
Ah okay, that makes sense.
'Shaheed', in my country, is usually used only for those who voluntarily die for a good cause (like independence activists who were executed by the British). I guess the meaning got changed when we borrowed the word.