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Lake Superior is apparently not water
They should not have used the term "water access" when they meant "ocean access."
Ocean ships sail to Duluth MN all the time so any state with shoreline on the great lakes has a direct route to the ocean.
It feels wrong, but landlocked typically refers to coastline on the ocean.
If you use navigability to the ocean, then the states on the Mississippi River also aren't landlocked.
There isn't a word for "c'mon, the great lakes have proper freighters and a coast guard presence. Michigan is obviously not landlocked".
Not just the Mississippi. The US happens to have the most miles of navigable rivers and coastlines, as well as the most natural deep bays, of any country in the world.
If any water counts, then almost everywhere that people live at all has "water access". Lakes, however big, aren't the ocean.
Landlocked usually refers to navigation not access to water. For that purpose the Great Lakes count.
You can take a boat from Nebraska to the ocean via river so it's not land locked either.
Then so do the North Saskatchewan, South Saskatchewan, and Saskatchewan rivers. There’s cities on those rivers today because back in the day it was easy access between them.
You’ll find no argument from me. If you can get from there to the ocean with a sufficiently large vessel, I’d say it’s not landlocked.
The state/province borders are pretty arbitrary themselves, there’s a lot of nuance lost in this simplified infographic.
Going by that then the states on the great lakes aren't landlocked either since you can get to the ocean from them
Yeah, a good deal of early US/Canadian history revolved around who had access to which waterways that could get to the ocean, who built canals from where to where, etc.
Like, lakes and rivers are still generally fresh water, not salt water... but they have always been used as basically logistics highways, by basically all peoples, everywhere, forever, before the advent of planes trains and automobiles... and a pretty huge amount of freight still does get moved around on thr Great Lakes... though of course recent tariffs are probably greatly complicating and lessening that.
https://greatlakes-seaway.com/en/navigating-the-seaway/seaway-map/
This a cool pic of the profile of the Great Lakes System of locks and the elevation changes. It's an amazing set of engineering over the last couple hundred years that's still being upgraded and expanded.
OooOoh!
Thank you. Saving that! =D
And so does Pennsylvania.
It's crazy how much money we spend on zero-point energy generation just to teleport container ships from the Great Lakes to the Atlantic.
Oh so you'd prefer we just send the ships over Niagara Falls instead? Silly NZPTIMBY folks (No Zero-Point Teleportation In My Back Yard) 😛
What if I add a pinch of salt to the great lakes?
Don't you dare, that's like terrorism or something
Imma turn the Great Lakes into some regular-ass seas.
Anybody got a bat-signal handy? There's some real comic book villainy going on here.
Seriously, fucking gigantic joke calling michigan land locked!
I live in northern Ohio and I don’t feel very landlocked when I look out at Lake Erie haha. I imagine Michiganders feel that but I’m three sides of the state
Uh-huh. I see you over there posting from a lemmy.ca account on the north shore, Canadian.
Ok well actually I don't, the lake is too big and extends to the horizon...
Haha, I’m close enough, but not quite a Canadian. This is a good instance, they aren’t going anywhere like those .ml people
Lake Superior....get over yourself.
Lake Mead is sadly now Lake Inferior.
south of most of the great lakes doesn't seem to count.... oh I see now. The great beaches of Hudson Bay count as ocean access, no matter how little ships or beachgoers there are.