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The target was the negociator idiot. So stop pretending you want peace. Peace will happen when israel end occupation
They were negotiating the release of the hostages. They have been trying to negotiate an exchange since Oct7, but this is how much Israel cares for hostages
Don't act so high and mighty
Neither side has been negotiating in good faith IMO, both are culpable for prolonging and perpetuating the conflict unnecessarily at the cost innocent lives. They're both negotiating like Putin. Again that's my hot-take based on what I've seen. I may well be wrong and missing key information or contextual perspective.
Hamas always respected every other cease fire in the past. Israel never respected anything
Are you going to "both sides" this? don't get more bad faith then murdering the people you are negotiating with.
Your O is worth jackshit, because you're a war crime supporting dumb ass who knows nothing about the situation but advocates for horrific crimes anyway. "I don't think they're negotiating in good faith, so actually it's good for Isreal to massacre their diplomats!" fucking Nazi pig.
Oh fuck off with these tedious reddit shithead stock phrases.
So like of you're glad that these Hamas leaders were held to account like this and you also think that the IDF must be held to account for war crimes, are you actually calling for targetted bombings of IDF installations and Israeli diplomatic missions?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, amirite?
Hitler is netenyahu and israel is nazi germany
Yes, that's a good analogy worth elaborating on. That places Hamas and other Palestinian resistance groups in the position of the numerous WW2 resistance movements like the French resistance, Polish Home Army, and Jewish resistance who were attacking Nazi forces, sabotaging infrastructure, and sometimes more terroristic tactics involving civilians.
Philosopher Quassim Cassam recently wrote an article examining the idea of justifiable terrorism as part of armed resistance. He provides a framework and engages with the most generous possibilities of the idea. While he's not the first to explore justifiable terrorism, he does examine this very comparison of WWII resistance and other movements like al-Qaeda and the recent Oct 7 attack by Hamas: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-024-00975-9
Why are you being disingenuous? You compare hamas leaders to hitler but the only valid comparison is israel being nazi germany and netenyahu being hitler
Comparing hamas leaders with russian leaders is also not accurate since russia is the invader, hamas are palestinians that they and their ancesstors was oppressed for 77 years.
I oppose assasinating putin just like i oppose assasinating netenyahu unlike you who said you wouldn't oppose putin assasination but want netenyahu to just be brought to justice by the country who still hold the ethrnic cleanning and genocidal ideology.
Why you ignore that the guy they tried to kill was the negociator? You support the death of the guy responsible to find a deal to end the genocide and release the hostages yet you.clsim to be for peace
I know you're trying to pretend that you're not just a pro-Isreal zionist. But this was the part you slipped up and revealed that you're just lying. Though some other tells were that you're entirely unwilling to admit that Israel is doing a genocide in Gaza, and that you describe Israel as being equivalent the allies in WW2, and in Ukraine in the current war with Russia, rather than the actual accurate comparison, where Israel is equivalent to the Nazis and Russia respectively..
Actually, while the Palestinians have a right to armed resistance against their occupiers,
Israel, as an occupier, has no right to self-defense.
Thanks for the Jacobin article, it's thoughtful, powerful, and I completely agree with it re: Palestine, though I may disagree on the role and culpability of Hamas on some things. I've used the same Wikipedia article to summarize the occupation dynamics. To be clear, when I said "they have a right to defend themselves", I was referring to Palestinians.
Israel's current campaign in Gaza has been beyond horrific and outright evil in some aspects. It's by far the most outrageous thing they've been doing. And if there's any credence to Smotrich's statements, they'll follow through with complete ethnic cleansing through forced expulsion while annexing the rest of the West Bank.
Jesus fucking Christ, what is wrong with you?
You and I probably have different definitions and applications of the term "evil". We can agree the campaign is unethical, immoral, inhumane, unjust, horrific, beyond the pale, criminal, heinous, outrageous, and I'm sure there are many other synonyms of "bad" we can fully agree on that describes what they're doing.
War need to be the last resort and proportional both doesn't apply because israel was pretty clear from the beginning that they will comit genocide and becausw hamas offered return of hostages since the beginning
So, in short, you support Israel committing warcrimes.
Not really, no.
Then you shouldn't have said it
I am extremely outraged by the ethnic cleansing Israel has been conducting in Gaza. I am very outraged by their ongoing colonization of the West Bank, I am a little outraged that they are hitting military targets in other countries with impunity. The planned and deliberate slaughter of civilians on Oct 7 was heinous and I won't be unhappy when the leaders who planned it die.
For comparison, if for whatever reason they decided it was in their interest and Mossad or some other third party managed to assassinate Putin at one of his "peace conferences", I might be mad about the implications, violation of international law as a war crime, and consequences of the act, but I don't think I'd be unhappy he's dead.
Would you support the massacre of the Israeli government? Or does your "I won't be happy until they all die!" bloodlust only extend to Palestinians? (Which certainly seems to be case, given your phrasing: Israels Holocaust is merely "outrageous", where as the resistance response - which was not "planned and deliberate slaughter of civilians" and mostly targeted military targets, despite your lies - is "heinous" and apparently personally prevents you from being happy until enough Palestinians are massacred in retaliation).
So once again, you fully support Israel committing horrific war crimes against the West's enemies. Would you be as jubilent if Hamas or FSB was able to massacre the EU parliament? Or are you a raging hypocrite?
No, I think Israel's ethnic cleansing of Gaza is more heinous and more outrageous than the Oct 7 attack. If Netanyahu mysteriously fell out of a window, I might be a little outraged and worried by the implications, but I don't think I'd be unhappy he's dead.
In all honesty, blood is not my first choice, nor my second or third. I would much prefer bloodless peace from now on, but reality has taken us way way way down the list of my preferences.
So you "can't be happy" until the entire government of Gaza is massacred, but the most you can muster for Israel is that if Netanyahyu specifically were to die, you "don't think you'd be unhappy"
Also, you dodged the question, you cowardly Nazi fuck: Would you support the massacre of the Israeli government? Or does your “I won’t be happy until they all die!” bloodlust only extend to Palestinians? Because the answer you did give sure fucking adds further evidence to the latter.
Oooooooohhhh ok. So when it comes to Gaza you "can't be happy until they're all dead", but when the boot is on the other foot, suddenly you're handringing about how terrible violence is.
Also, you dodged the other question, you doubly cowardly Nazi fuck: Would you be as jubilent if Hamas or FSB was able to massacre the EU parliament? Or are you a raging hypocrite?
Seriously, fuck off, liberal zionists are even more loathsome than the mask off ones, because they believe the same things but insist on being dishonest and mealymouthed about it.
I think I'd be glad to see Smotrich and some others go too. However there are plenty of people in the Israeli government who are against this war and pro two-state solution, which I believe is the only humane goal in this conflict. This, I think might be the crux of why you see me as Zionist. There are other Palestinian approaches to Palestinian Nationalism and anti-Zionism that I support instead of Hamas, such as modern Fatah's.
I think Palestinian armed resistance is legitimate and I think the disproportionate power matters in how Palestinians can hit back. I think Hamas' attack on IDF targets on Oct 7 were legitimate. However, I will not condone their attack on villages and the music festival, which were not military targets, and were clearly meant to sow terror and to take civilian hostages--even as leverage to exchange for the Palestinians civilians unjustly and illegally imprisoned by Israel.
Hamas's mandate and long term goal has always been the pursuit of Islamic sovereignty over all of mandatory Palestine, which is not an ideology I support. Just as the Israeli government is not a monolith, I don't assume Hamas is one either. But current leaders like Izz al-Din al-Haddad certainly are malicious and culpable, just as leaders in Likud and the IDF are. I will not be berated into subscribing to Hamas as the only legitimate form of anti-Zionism.
Ok, so your “I won’t be happy until they all die!” bloodlust does indeed only extend to Palestinians, because you're a hypocritical zionist fuck.
Hamas's position is literally pro-two state, but you're still eager for their slaughter. Meanwhile all but a few outliers in the Isreali government are actively and belligerently opposed to the two state solution, but you're still willing to lie that they are to defend them. Once again, It's fucking obvious that your a committed Zionist trying to pretend to be a moderate.
Then you wouldn't hold such a blatantly hypocritical double standard towards it.
Except when you're saying you "can't be happy until they're all dead!".
And yet you're only calling for the wholesale slaughter of the former, while making excuses for the latter.
Fuck off, it is extremely obvious that you are being insincere and trying to tack to the most pro-zionist position you can get away with here.
Oh, and once again, you dodged the question: Would you be as jubilent if Hamas or FSB was able to massacre the EU parliament? Or are you a raging hypocrite?
So you're glad the IDF committed war-crimes
Nope.
Then you shouldn't have said you were