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Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment [2023]
(www.newsweek.com)
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I see your point about the LAMF thing, but that's such a dishonest comparison. Your post history seems reasonable enough so I'm hoping you won't just be a dick about this. The difference is cars aren't a tool specifically for killing people. You're even changing the context in your comparison, this isn't a drunk driver killing a dude, it's someone intentionally hitting a man with their car. When the US gets a global reputation for being the place kids constantly take their parents' cars to school to kill other kids it'll be a fine point, until then it's hurting your case.
For the record, I'm not condoning or celebrating this either. I'm not going to mourn the prick, but I don't support openly murdering people and see no appeal in laughing or joking about it.
Honesty has nothing to do with it. People are calling it LAMF because they are falsely equivocating saying you should have the right to own a gun, with saying you should have the right to shoot people. That's all there is to it. All I've done is point out the equivocation--in the absence of it, it's obvious this isn't LAMF.
I don't believe you'll find me 'being a dick' about anything in my history, so don't worry.
That isn't really relevant, though.
The point is simply that in order to something to be LAMF, the thing that was advocated for others must be the same thing that's happened to the 'LAMF'd'.
Kirk was advocating for maintaining the right to own a gun. Not for the right to shoot people.
On top of that, another aspect that's required is that the thing being advocated for is intended by the 'LAMF'd to apply only to certain others, and the LAMF comes in when it ends up applying to them as well (hence "never thought they'd eat my face"). In this case, he was advocating for gun ownership to be a right, in other words, something that applies to everyone. It's literally impossible for something that's advocated for everyone to become a LAMF situation; the 'for them but not me' assumption is a necessary component of the 'before'.
But Kirk advocated for the right of owning a gun, analogous to owning a car. Not with unlawfully (accidentally or not) shooting someone, analogous to (accidentally or not) running someone over (which thankfully is always unlawful, lol).
Thoughts?
Sorry, you've misunderstood, I don't disagree about any of that. I was talking about your use of car ownership as a comparison to gun ownership. It's something I see come up a lot in gun rights arguments and it's always seemed so unreasonable to me because of the difference I mentioned being so vital (perhaps because I live in a country much less... enthusiastic about guns). There's no reason for us to have that particular discussion and I have zero interest in doing so, I just took issue with your comparison, that's all.
I understand you wanting to differentiate a weapon from a non-weapon causing the death, but it really doesn't impact the analogy I don't think, because in either case, the intended use of X is to use it when justified (e.g. re a gun, for hunting if it's that kind of gun, for self-defense if a handgun, etc.). Now, if there was zero application for X that was justifiable for a random individual to possess, then I'd be more on board with your point (e.g. an explosive beyond 'firecracker strength').
Well, I live in the US, and I personally abhor guns, but I try (more than most, in my experience, hence my chosen alias) not to let it bias my arguments.
This is by no means any sort of 'pro-gun' argument. It's just that, since this is a themed community, when I see something that doesn't follow the theme, if I feel like it at the time, I'll point it out. That's really all there was to it, lol.