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Whatever happened to the right of self defense? For example, Charlie Kirk was literally trying to kill me. He was actively attempting to do so. That isn't hypothetical or allegorical. Charlie Kirk literally wanted me dead, and he was taking active material material steps to advance that goal.
If someone busts into my house and tries to kill me with a gun, I'm allowed to shoot them to defend myself. But suddenly when someone like Kirk wants to kill me and thousands like me, it's sacred protected speech just because he's chosen to use the state as a murder weapon.
"Literally"? Did he shoot at you? Or did he try to stab you?
"That isn't hypothetical or allegorical"? No? Did he try to run you over with his car?
"Charlie Kirk literally wanted me dead" I'm sure he had absolutely no idea who you were. He may have wanted a whole category of people that includes you dead, but he wasn't actually trying to kill you himself, and didn't know you personally.
"it's sacred protected speech just because he's chosen to use " Yes, when someone uses speech it's different from when they aim a gun at you and pull the trigger. Is that surprising to you?
"I didn't plot to kill you, I just plotted to kill your entire family. You have no business complaining."
I am not sure what you wouldn't get about immediacy of threat in relation to self defense. There are very clear reasons that self defense involving lethal force is restricted to the immediate act, and that some of those restrictions are loosened only within your home.
Killing someone because you believe they will kill you or cause your death at some point in the future is not an acceptable way for a society to function.
You're right. It's a different crime. It's not self-defense in the immediate criminal sense. But Charlie was absolutely guilty of incitement to genocide and crimes against humanity. We've literally hanged people at tribunals like Nuremberg for doing the exact same thing that Charlie spent his whole career doing. In just world, Charlie would be indicted on crimes against humanity, convicted, and hanged for his crimes.