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I visited a talk on an event of the german chaos computer club and although I know about the casual chauvinism in these circles, I was appaled at the casual racist remarks AND I'm curious about the "china spyware android" claim. Knowing from my experience with ML so far its probably bs or overblown but I'm curious if there is a thorough debunk already.

The person holding the talk claimed that chinese android phones came loaded with spyware and I gound the linked study that is claimed to prove it. I'll check it more thoroughly tomorrow but so far it reads like "different legislation, get over it" but i'm not sure if its even easier to debunk.

Have a good one.

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[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Since others already addressed the specific, I'll focus on it as more of a general principle thing:

Essentially, westerners need to come down to earth. They are raised in a culture of superiority that acts like the west is the center of the universe. In post WWII US hegemony, this may have been the case in terms of global power, but it still didn't mean westerners were superior, it just meant they had more guns. Even that part is changing. China is advancing in technology and productive capacity at a rate that only a socialist project can do, with a significant focus on addressing people's needs rather than pure profit. While the US continues to work on color revolutions, sanctions, and generally warring and bombing other countries, either directly or through proxies (ex: israel), China is staunch on not being a militarily or economically interventionist power, who throws its weight around in order to coerce the world into doing what it wants. While the US uses its broad reach on virtual platforms in other communities in order to aid in controlling them, there is yet to be any evidence of China doing similar.

China is leading the way in an alternative world power dynamic, one aimed at mutual benefit. They are living in the future technologically. They are overall looking after their people. And with all of this in mind, we are supposed to believe that China wants to gather data on us, so that they can checks notes convince us to vote for John Racist 2 instead of John Racist 1? It's a real "I don't even know who you are" moment, you know. If it wasn't for the western empire trying to undermine, encircle, and destroy China and any other liberation effort that threatens imperial hegemony, China would not even need to care that it exists. Even still, China does not need to care offensively, in the sense of trying to undermine and they have shown over and over that their "offense" is more of a thing of strengthening themselves and others who would ally with them, rather than try to destroy others. So what is there to fear?

Nothing significant. The real thing to fear, which westerners are chronically in denial about, is their own governments. Their governments which do gather data on them and use it for control, which don't want them getting ideas about real freedoms in life through actually getting their needs met, which would always rather their fear be pointed outward than hit too close to home and come to terms with how shitty their country is.