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Just because you can't hear the dog whistle does not mean it doesn't exist. The thing with Groypers, and many white nationalists over the past decade, is that they're full of ironic memes, co-opting liberal media, and hidden language as a tactic to confuse people like you into believing they're not an extremist movement at all
I'm not saying the shooter definitely isn't a groyper or whatnot, I'm saying that meme forensics seem a bit of an odd way to definitively decalre someone in one group or another.
Especially when that group is really transphobic and your romantic partner is trans.
I dunno but it strikes me like anyone declaring they know this guy's motivations one way or the other is probably just seeing what they want to see.
Edit: Okay, and now they've released the text exchanges and stuff. Seems pretty darned clear he's Left wing, not Right. (Can you really imagine a far Right killing Kirk would be doing so because they "had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out" ?)
https://atty.utahcounty.gov/cms/uploads/TJR_Information_49872215e3.pdf
Yeah I can actually. A young white man radicalized by years of being terminally online in groyper spaces who already hated Charlie Kirk for not being extreme enough, who then started to date a trans woman (if the feds are to be believed on this at all). All the trans romantic partner angle gives is a more clear motive, but doesn't actually explain his radicalization to the point of a targeted killing. Being a groyper does.
To each their own I guess. This sounds like really motivated reasoning, in that you started with the end you want and then worked backwards. Right now, your hope is that the shooter is actually a fan of Fuentes despite being in a transgender relationship, despite being on the more extreme side is saying he's doing it because some hate can't be negotiated out (implying that he's actually calling for more hatred and naming it as such, which most folks on these sides don't do) while ignoring his parents claims that he's getting more into Left wing politics.
Or, y'know, a kid who intended to get away with it, wrote some memes from a semi plausible group on bullets in an attempt to blame the Far Right.
I'm not saying your version is impossible but it does beggar belief. It's like when my uncle defends trump and invokes all manner of wild conspiracies to do so, what he's saying isn't impossible it just requires a bunch of wild coincidences etc.
Not really, but this seems more like projection to me.
There is only thing I know for sure and it's that the shooter wasn't a leftist. There is nothing about him that suggests him being a leftist, and certainly nothing that would suggest he's been radicalized to the point of a targeted killing by the left. The only thing you have to go on is what the state and federal investigators say they have, which they obtained through a source they didn't name.