this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2025
681 points (97.8% liked)
MeanwhileOnGrad
1998 readers
273 users here now
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
Welcome to MoG!
Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post, rather than engaging in unrelated arguments.
Brigading — If you're here because this community was linked in another thread, please refrain from voting, commenting or manipulating the post in any way, this includes alt accounts. All votes are public, and if you are found to be brigading, you will be permanently banned.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
You're conflating nationalism and fascism.
Bandera's followers massacred civilians during WWII. No matter what label you stick on it, the ideologies of these people (and, by extension, the slogans they used as rallying calls) have no place in a fair society.
No shit.
But you shouldn't conflate them despite them often walking hand in hand.
A country having nationalist fervor doesn't necessarily mean it's in any way fascist. So conflating modern healthy patriotism of the Ukraine to historical fascists is quite clearly wrong — on purpose.
Yeah he stole that from a poem from 1848 he even says that openly....
https://taras-shevchenko.storinka.org/taras-shevchenko's-poem-to-osnovianenko-ukrainian-to-english-translation-by-c-h-andrusyshen-and-watson-kirkconnell.html
Yeah that's the whole issue. You're telling me these "healthy patriots" could not find a SINGLE thing in the entire history of their country to be proud of apart from a slogan used by fascists?
Where I live (Netherlands) people often use the term "Polder mentality" to celebrate the people's historical ability to cooperate despite differences in opinion. This is what "healthy patriotism" looks like. If you instead go out of your way to praise the nation's "VOC mentality", people will rightfully look at you weird and maybe even call you out for glorifying slavery. Because an actual patriot would never be proud of slavery.
If I was a Ukrainian patriot, I would go out of my way to cut any association with the fascist parts of my country's history, not make it my main slogan.
"couldn't they find something else to chant than [the name of their nation] in this battle where it's nation against nation"
Couldn't Russia just stop invading neighbouring nation-states?
The comment thread didn't mention Russia once. Rent free lmao.
This whole post is about the Russo-Ukrainian war? You know, a war where Ukraine is defending itself against Russia?
Thanks for revealing yourself as a Putlerite, though.
No??? The post about a particular instance of the Lemmy federated link aggregator software?? What even makes you think I support putin? I see authoritarianism as threat, it's the main reason why I haven't moved back to Russia yet and why I'm actively looking to find potential other places to relocate to in case the EU continues its descent into authoritarianism. I can't even come up with a witty comeback here, I'm genuinely baffled by your train of thought. Though I guess your use of reddit-tier made-up "vocabulary" like "putlerite" proves that "thought" isn't something that happens in your head very often.
The fact that you started screeching in rage at the first sign of any criticism towards Russia and Putin? You're trying to spread the whole shitty "it's actually not an illegal war of aggression, it's just Putin being kind and denazifying the Ukraine"-rhetoric.
Been there done that.
Yeah, it is baffling how anyone could pretend like a post about the motto "Slava Ukraini" isn't about Russia. I don't know how you do it. The amount of mental gymnastics required is just... yeah, baffling. So I have to conclude that you don't actually believe in the "denazifying" bullshit. Which means you're writing that in bad faith. Which is clear to most people who are able to read and write English on a basic level.
Sen joka "sivistystä" tyrkyttääpi, äkkiä nikkeli myrkyttääpi.
I'm having difficulty following. In your psychoanalysis of my comments, am I meant to be a russian bot or not? The two paragraphs seem contradictory.
For the record, I have to admit the "ukraine is full of nazis" narrative was tempting to me around the time of the euromaidan crisis. You know, when ethno-nationalist groups were playing a large role in the shaping of Ukrainian politics. But as time went on (and as I became wiser) it became clear that the image putin is trying to paint, of Russia sweeping in and "saving ukraine from the fascists" is a very distorted view of reality. I certainly did not believe any part of it by the time of the ukrainian invasion.
Do you think a person can only spread bad rhetoric if they're a state-hired actor?
Doesn't matter if you confess to believing it or not. You're still spreading it. Pretending like this is a discussion of internal Ukrainian politics is completely bullshit, as they're not breaking international law — something which Russia IS doing.
You're just drawing attention to yourself and excusing Russian behaviour. Condemn Russia and Putler for the international crimes they've committed and then I might believe some of what you say.
Fine, I'll bite.
It's not good that Putin commanded the russian army to invade ukraine under the pretense of "denazification". It wouldn't have been good under any pretense. Innocent Ukrainians are dying, getting injured, being displaced in the name of "nazis" that don't exist. Ukrainian culture is being erased in the flames of war. Russia's invasion of ukraine bears many characteristics of a genocide, and there is no denying that putin's army has committed and is committing war crimes. It's not justified. I believe that it wouldn't be justified EVEN IF Putin's false narrative of "denazification" was true. Not only Putin, but his entire chain of command, various pro-russian oligarchs, corporations, and individual soldiers are all responsible in some part for this travesty and, in a fair society, should be served justice accordingly.
How's that sound? Honestly I don't really care what that you think of me, this is just my personal opinion on the matter. It's what I tell my friends, coworkers, and people I meet at social functions (it seems my Russian accent often makes people yearn to know what my stance on the matter is, especially when they've had a few beers). I know it's not the most pro-Ukraine take out there, but what matters TO ME is that it is my genuine opinion and is consistent with my moral framework and understanding of reality. I really hope you can say the same for your opinion, even if it differs from mine.
"Good"?
That's... putting it mildly. It was a straight-up landgrab, a classic war of aggression.
I think I believe you.
Yeah, that's a nice comment, and restores my faith in at least some Russians. Thanks. I'd love for the political divisions to just go away so we could actually enjoy each other's cultures. But as of now, eh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs
I most certainly can say that I've formed my own opinions, yes. Having them has caused a lot of issues, but yeah, I can definitely say they're mine and I'm not just "going with it" in I hope anything I do. Well sometimes the thought-out thing is to "go with it" but that's a whole other issue that's not relevant politically, as in, I'm talking about using public transport basically, not conforming to fascist political ideologies.
Various other Russians on the platform, take heed
I'm not good with words haha. When it comes to difficult/sensitive things I sometimes fall back to caveman speak more or less (in any language). Sounds like you got what I'm trying to say tho, so whatever :)
song is a banger btw :D
Yeah I think we all do.
What was it I was watching, yeah, Momoa's new Hawai'i show, and it had a quote in it I found kinda nice: "men practice for war all their lives, yet fear being wrong more than death" or something to that effect.
It honestly do be crazy to me how much humanity is wasting on war.