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In our civilized societies we are rich. Why then are the many poor? Why this painful drudgery for the masses? Why, even to the best-paid workman, this uncertainty for the morrow, in the midst of all the wealth inherited from the past, and in spite of the powerful means of production, which could ensure comfort to all, in return for a few hours daily toil? - Peter Kropotkin (1892)

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[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

IMO this is giving too much credit to the bad faith argument. Anyone saying "oh you lazy socialist you just don't want to work" is either incredibly ignorant, or more likely deliberately trolling.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It isn't usually bad faith imo. They just genuinely can't conceive of a world with a less coercive system of work. I'd say it is ~~in~~credibly ignorant. It's hard even for leftists to envision the specifics of such a system - why would it be any easier for people who've never even considered an alternative? So they just think, naively, that without the threat of systemic violence jobs wouldn't get done

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 days ago

We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable-but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art.

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