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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you look at what the actual honoring is calling for, there is a lot of non-partisan good things there that ultimately aim for a goal that is opposed to political violence on both sides.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree, there are a lot of good parts to this, but I would struggle to accept other parts. I would be conflicted were I in a position to vote on it. I especially don't think that Kirk's legacy is worth celebrating.

At this point Dems need to be voting against absolutely everything put forward by the republicans. They need to demonstrate to people that they aren't the problem. If they don't then they are part of the problem. Working with the republicans on anything is completely inexcusable at this point.

[–] Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The problem with just condemning violence "on both sides" is that you are buying into the right-wing framing that violence from the left and the right are in any way equivocal. That the left calling the fascist things the wannabe fascist president is doing fascist is in any way equivalent to the right saying immigrants are invading the country, or that trans people are groomers that are abusing kids, or that homeless people should be euthanized.

From just a quick PBS article I found with like 5 minutes of looking:

Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

"Both sides" do not bear anywhere near the same level of responsibility for the current state of political violence in this country.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is it a problem for you to condemn political violence? Either you oppose it or you don't, end of story. If someone asked you condemn sexual assault, would you do it or claim the prob with condemning it is people still voted for Trump?

I never said not to condemn political violence. I said not to accept right wing framing when you do. They are trying to pretend like 80% of extremist political violence isn't committed by right wingers.

The left calling the fascist actions of the wannabe dictator president fascist is not the same as the right calling all undocumented immigrants violent criminal invaders, or trans people vile pedophile groomers.

You fucking clown.