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submitted 1 year ago by woland@lemmy.world to c/socialism@lemmy.ml

Sorry if this question seems inflammatory or uninformed, it comes from a place of simple curiosity.

While getting into socialist theory, partly through breadtube content, I often stumbled upon creators/commentators/writers who absolutely crucify the US (rightfully so in many regards), but either justify wrongdoings of the CCP/Russian regime or outright support them.

To me it seems absolutely incongruous to claim socialist ideals for oneself but to champion authoritarian regimes that have ties to Socialism merely semantically or through some spurious historical traditions.

Can you enlighten me about this? Thank you.

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[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Isn’t the idea behind communism and socialist that everyone leads a better quality of life and that we all participate to help each other?

The CPC has lifted 800 million people out of poverty: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience.

You can say whatever else you like but it sounds like hundreds of millions of people in China are leading better lives while half the west is homeless (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-20/queensland-homelessness-up-22-per-cent/102113366), becoming increasingly reliant on food banks (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/60-rise-use-of-food-banks-programs-canada-2023-1.6711094) and developing nineteenth century diseases due to malnutrition (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/victorian-disease-gout-rickets-vitamin-d-mumps-scurvy-measles-malnutrition-nhs-hospital-admitted-a8795686.html). Meanwhile, the main group whose living standards have dropped in China are the bourgeoisie, the feudal lords, and Western and Japanese colonisers.

There are over 90 million members of the CPC: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1227455.shtml. Sounds like millions of people are participating in helping each other alleviate the fuck out of poverty.

Is China perfect? Of course not. Are there discontents? Very probably. Does this pale in comparison to the fact of hundreds of millions of people now have housing, healthcare, and education? Absolutely.

Edit: typo.

There's no denying that life for the everyday Chinese citizen is fairly decent. I'm thinking of the unfortunate people in work and re-education camps. I'm no fan of authoritarianism of any kind.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I assume you're talking about Xinjiang? How are you defining 'work camp' or 'education camp'? How would you propose that China put a stop to US-backed terrorism in the region? Would this have been more or less effective than the CPC's response (considering that there is more-or-less no more terrorism in the region and living standards have shot up)?

Could the CPC have alleviated the poverty of 800 million people without exercising class power through state authority?

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