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While I agree that such hypotheticals arent particularly useful, I will strongly disagree with the rest of your post.
Bush II did want to offer Ukraine and Moldova NATO membership in 2008, so it's incorrect to claim that membership was never on the table.
His proposal was shot down by Merkel, who rewarded russia after the annexation of Crimea in 2014 with Nord Stream II.
This is not a matter of bombing Moscow, during the invasion of Crimea, Ukraine's asked for any support in attempt to fight back russia's annexation, these request were completely rejected.
Poland and the Baltic nations actively tried to warn Germany that russians aren't going to reject genocidal imperialism just like that. These warnings were ignored primarily due to corruption (true of other countries like Austria) but also due to a tendency to white-wash russian crimes and a little bit of racism too.
Merkel and Obama were both corrupt, cowardly and fundamentally unreliable individuals.
I was still kind of hung up on the timeframe when the Budapest memorandum was made, where i don't think it was on the table, but otherwise you are of course right and that's a good point.
According to wikipedia plans for NS2 already started before that, but ofc that doesn't change the fact that they just kept going ahead like nothing happened.
Yes, but that wasn't from chickening out because of some technicallity. Since as far as i am aware there was no legal requirement to get out of. Should they from a moral and also long term stategic point of you have intervened? Absolutely, but i feel that wasn't the point in question.
I actually wouldn't call Merkel unreliable, i think she was pretty consistent in her passivity just trying to stay popular while holding on to a unsustainable system. As far as corruption goes i am weirdly not sure about that either, since she doesn't seem to have captialized on anything personally, unlike plenty of other people. I guess it depends on whether or not one equals allowing corruption to happen, as being corrupt.
In a grand scheme of things though the damage she has done is truly immeasurable.
That's a fair take, even though I disagree with some details.
I don't think Merkel was personally corrupt (that would be Schröder), but she definitely enabled russian corruption in the EU (and beyond).