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Lots of hella smart people have made this topic their entire life for literally thousands of years, and the debates are still ongoing. An individual's observations mean little
An appeal to majority, authority, or tradition (your comment might be all 3) does not supersede my own reason and experience.
You mean your subjective experience?
Exactly. All experience is subjective, and so is morality.
Deductions based on subjective information got you here. Or did you objectively observe (through, for example, objective experimentation) that there is no objective morality?
That's what therapygary was trying to tell you, but not sure why they expected your subjective experience to realize the contradiction it itself is based on, lol.
Can you define objective morality for me please? What exactly would the world look like if there was objective morality?
Hey, check this out, you might find it interesting. From Parenti's Contrary Notions:
That does sound interesting, as well as I understand it. It's a bit complex in its language
Sure, objective morality is the belief that certain actions are inherently right or wrong, regardless of individual opinions or cultural beliefs, that moral truths exist independently and can be universally recognized. The second question I haven't the slightest idea, but it would be interesting to find out.
If they exist independently of us, where could they originate? If they originate from patterns, evolutionary psychology, or a god, doesn't it make it subjective, just to that thing, whatever it is?
Edit: nvm, I saw you replied to my other comment where I said something similar :3
The world would look the same way it does now with or without objective morality. Objective morality is just the idea that moral truths exist independent of individual beliefs. E.g., that raping babies is an inherently immoral thing regardless of an individual's feelings about it
Again though, I personally don't believe this. I just won't claim to know that there is no objective morality. No one can know that, the same way no one can know that there's no god, or anything else unfalsifiable
The best argument I've heard for it, from a moral philosophy professor and personal friend of mine, is (paraphrasing) "I know for a fact that genocide is inherently wrong, and I'm not open to debating that. It's just true."
What would it mean that it's 'inherently' wrong, though? Where would the judgement come from? And if it does come from somewhere (eg evolutionary psychology, a god), doesn't that make it just the subjective morality of that thing?
The way it was explained to me was as analogous to maths. Idk much mathematical theory, but there are supposedly mathematical truths inherent to the universe, and this argument for morality is similar- that it doesn't come from somewhere, it just is. I don't think 'judgement' has anything to do with it, bc that would be subjective like you said
Maths is objective, yes. But maths is an 'is', while morality is an 'ought'. And you can't get an ought from an is without subjective values. And while maths is objective, any individual's understanding of it may be inaccurate.
Morality is an 'is' if you frame it as good vs evil like the context of this post
What would that actually mean though, for an act to be 'intrinsically good'? I understood a good act as meaning an act that is virtuous to do, but then surely what is virtuous is determined by personal values.
Good point
Your reasoning is bad- I was just trying to point it out gently without being too explicit about calling you out for the arrogant moron you are.
I'm happy for you to point out the flaw in my reasoning, so far all you've done is criticise me.