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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

liberals are trying to convince independents, moderates, conservatives, and people on the right to agree on at least something.

the people that don’t want to help others have over 50% of the power in the US federal government currently

The problem doesn't just lie in that there is conflict between people who do and do not want to help one another. It's that there is a whole system in place that rewards the largescale harming of people.

Trying to convince people to want to help each other is a challenge and confronts people's individualism. That's not the issue.

But the notion of agreeing on something with people who actively require harming others is fundamentally destructive to that cause.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

The problem doesn't just lie in that there is conflict between people who do and do not want to help one another. It's that there is a whole system in place that rewards the largescale harming of people.

I agree with you, the fact that there is an entire media environment geared towards fueling this as well does not help anyone. I feel that voting system changes and trying to implement a broader version of the Fairness Doctrine at the state level might help remedy some of the issues.

Trying to convince people to want to help each other is a challenge and confronts people's individualism. That's not the issue.

I agree, this is one of the challenges but not the main issue.

But the notion of agreeing on something with people who actively require harming others is fundamentally destructive to that cause.

These are partly the consequences of several things in one, many of them purposefully orchestrated and snowball. Namely, the defunding of education, a culture of superiority, the mass broadcasting of non-experts and personalities, and espionage to help prop up the worst and most divisive opinions.

The unfortunate reality is that there are lots of people out there feeling hurt. This hurt that they feel can very often be entirely justified as well. Maybe their town has had a slump in well-paying, blue collar jobs. Jobs that were once guaranteed to the level of people working at the same job as one of their parents and grandparents. Some of those blue collar workers were frustrated and then here comes the snake-oil pitch telling them that they lost their job, promotion, or higher pay to immigrants -when in reality it could have been to many other things like automation.

Many of those same people aren’t inherently against anyone, but when they feel lied to or taken advantage of then it makes their blood boil. Many of those same people could be convinced that it’s actually the billionaires taking their money and their jobs. From the sounds of it, Bernie Sanders has been having success with that message this year in rural West Virginia. There are a lot of voters out there with lower access to information.

I believe that if we do get a campaign going with progressive leaders that we could make some real inroads even in these communities and make it clear that it’s the billionaires that are making life in their communities more difficult.