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So what have tankies got to say here?
They seem real quiet.
Dude I grew up socialist at heart, my great-grandpa was at the ford riots where people got shot.
But this shit nonsense that tankies spew make me almost want to rebrand my beliefs. You can't just say that atrocities didn't happen because you like the general philosophy of the political system. (Even though it was communism for exactly 3 minutes before sliding into good ol' authoritarianism)
I get the same shit talking to some super pro china folks. Yes, amazing leaps and technological bounds are happening and socially a lot of commendation is due. I am really, really in awe of some of their progresses. But it's really really weird how they go into full-on denial mode if I mention that one time a local mayor or whatever farted during a town hall. That apparently becomes "western propaganda", no matter how happy I am to talk shit about the shortcomings of my country as well. Blind nationalism makes me really crazy. And I'm American who's lived in Asia for a long time so I can really feel it when they're just talking shit. I grew up with mindless US propaganda, and have spent the past 20ish years hearing Asian "never ever lose face" "everything is fine and always has been fine forever aside from that one time when we defeated the despicable enemy of our glorious party!!!!!
Guys it's just as stupid to hear from your nation as it is to hear from the US. We're all flawed. Admit it so we can continue to improve instead of locking into a shitty system so we don't offend the great grandfather of the nation or whatever dumb thing. Be yourself ffs. A lot of people from the past were horrible dicksuckers and you should have more confidence in your own personal ideas, be careful choosing idols. Most of them were just shitbags who ended up the victors. And as we all know, history i written by the victors.
*Not directed at you Bruce, just taking the chance to yell at tankies.
+1, I get it.
I don't know how to say this inoffensively, but I think China (speaking broadly) has a cultural victim complex, which is understandable given their history.
And I think China and Russia governments stoke this victimization for political benefit, kinda like the US convervative movement is doing now.
Anyway, I think that leads to reflexive denial of their own atrocities as if its an abuser blaming a more enlightened victim. And as for the tankies actually outside of those countries, well... I don't really know.
I think part of it is younger people waking up to how propagandized our government has made them, and then swinging to the opposite side. Like "All that stuff the soviets or ccp said must have been true if so much of what our government said was a lie". I did something like that after leaving the evangelical church when I was 18. Strong to atheism before adopting a more open-minded approach with room for the fact that I can be very mistaken.
I understand the cultural victimization thing, and it is completely understandable. China is a very unique case, we can learn a lot from them, I just hope that we can come to respect each-other enough to learn from our advantages instead of one-upping our destructive tendencies. Chinese people are awesome, Americans are cool too. And each nation has an equal amount of uncool people. Progress could be easier if we could all be nationalistically humble. Course it would help if we didn't have a millenia-long history of just killing and taking what we want, that is a big phase to get out of.