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The amount of mental gymnastics to come up with (and justify) this is insane (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 days ago by pastermil@sh.itjust.works to c/linux@lemmy.world
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Note: the MacOS part is false

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[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. People have been correcting him on the Mac OS thing. Which you said was irrelevant several times.

Yes, you on the other hand consider it relevant, yet you don't have an issue with him making that point but with me.

I, remember, said it is not. Because again, this is not about what you like, it’s about what is true.

I answered on whether he was trying to justify Microsoft's actions or not. In that regard it does not matter whether it true or not, him bringing it up is an attempt to normalize Microsoft's actions. What would matter is him knowingly lying about it instead of being wrong but I am not going to accuse him of that.

On that note, the breakdown of what is sent, how and when is absolutely dependent on your account login. If it was not then there would be nothing to complain about. That doesn’t mean they don’t send anything without an account (unless you’re not online at all, obviously), but the payload of information will be different and in some cases some calls may be dependent on you having an ID in the first place. Plus there’s the question of whether unsigned users leave any connection to the account that activated the Windows install. Which I don’t know about and you clearly don’t care about.

I 'd rather disable telemetry totally. Windows does have installation wide keys, even if Microsoft right now does use it to connect accounts to local accounts they can at will.

I do agree with you that “I installed Linux for my grandma” is not “helping”, either, but I didn’t say I do that, either.

It helped my family just as installing windows for my friends helps my friends if not my ego.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, I have an issue with both him misrepresenting Mac OS and with you misrepresenting his point.

Because for the fifteenth time, what matters is what's true. I'm not taking sides with you and assuming every fallacious argument you make is fine and every fallacious argument this guy makes is not, or viceversa. Your fallacies don't justify his, and importantly, his don't justify yours.

Look, at this point you're being obtuse because egos and the Internet and whatever, so whatever, you do you. This conversation is deep into "I'm not mad, I'm disappointed" territory.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am not misrepresenting his point, you are misrepresenting my point with this 'truth is what matter' fixation when discussing his intent. While not actually care about him being untrue.

You have attacked me, calling me a liar, a fanboy, a poser etc. You are only here to troll.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man, I don't really care what you think, but the way you can only parse this as taking sides or being personally attacked is... kinda not healthy?

Just maybe come back to it in a couple of days and give it some thought.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure kid.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 0 points 2 days ago

Hah. "Kid", right.

First off, don't be disrespectful to young people, some of them can make decent points sometimes.

But also, man, I wish. I was using DOS before this guy was working on it.